From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9582D138010 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF5ADE07B1; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ia0-f173.google.com (mail-ia0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10D7BE0757 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h37so4814524iak.32 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lJyJWJo7rntx6kbeV/PYF8LjsW5TAdG4bGCKb87qYPY=; b=f78Tzkhb+PZBAu8Y/SdKZiHqZBP66HPM1ABFfhzogtPMu45Z2Q1hdWTtQzckAim+UG CM3vPwAij7EF05XoIBVT0yLo07wZnuvXQZTBIy1L7EZopGKKHBhhl4LxYrw146/KgPEK Mt5MuapBnDJaZQk7KK2+qROls6d3RixSB5rrIY207O768swl2A97vcFCNKmMXhQqewIm UqcnT+vV9Ti37E5qtQXfmZixhSADZDxliQoje6OfHe4Xwzd/BCJVgQFn+o7/rMtWkDTN sXnp+AhTrqHNnsus1BLD6gcBI58yOxzvOtrvdDo+BmKihDxcl1lcHCUoErR030OUlBec Cp1A== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.44.106 with SMTP id d10mr6841874igm.26.1364132916304; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.135.36 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130324134043.14941.qmail@stuge.se> References: <514CE32C.7090509@gentoo.org> <20130324091557.ED2AB8B7870@amit.localdomain> <514ED8B5.4010505@gentoo.org> <514EED78.2030601@gentoo.org> <20130324134043.14941.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:48:36 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OA2hIN_fXuVj45ZEtUSWimg7Lvw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 71563044-b83f-4709-922b-5b5ccb686151 X-Archives-Hash: 20abb66063f290f389d9981db06dbd39 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological > impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say, > having an actually inclusive package removal process. I was going to post something along these lines, but I'm struggling to come up with something that would actually be a better system in practice. The notice in the mask appears the next time you run emerge, which is about as good as it gets in terms of making users aware. Markos is open to including a URL in this annoucement which offers advice to those affected. That might take some of the edge off. I'm not sure I see a lot of alternatives. We could announce them on -dev, but I don't know that it would cause many to show up. It might be worth doing if it saves the treecleaners churn in the event that somebody does step up (no need to touch portage only to have somebody else revert the changes). If somebody has ideas on better ways to communicate pending removals speak up, but do keep in mind that it won't do any good if nobody notices them until the mask comes. Rich