From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A379013877A for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04719E0ADB; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2344DE0AA7 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so2625537vcb.8 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:54:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=C0QjQbyJnf5mtm42sy2hx1beMphoAfaOCDgSx+G5MxE=; b=s80SQ39QOh4uIvL/+avTRozSHP/emQl0JbQf2RUO0jBLxaE54J/KoCHtYmV1cXPuce XOzELjLBf2IZY07xWvF0s3rrgGdExpQAMorJZTqDxwGEtJBx0K4R77i+HR93D54uFkBL LJCfJgyjkN/0092UF3HUtgWDi6fPi8FK34NdB9WL6R5v4LVS57Cmkk1ssDqYtsWjcvE9 BjTIhZXiyblvcG1jcTDWq3TIvZi2fQaRmh8z0fhyL/9VCqQot+2RbPbsSXGfhHBhRZw2 DOEb9dJ9FZ3hoWvWakSgAtROSzZw+qpkvsXc6yGRATFZvgyCHIRiqemBU4yeK5kWKXW3 SfHg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.56.132 with SMTP id wc4mr11384202vcb.38.1405540486958; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.72.19 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53BB07C1.8090801@gentoo.org> <53BC12E2.6030002@gentoo.org> <21446.37158.790000.421879@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <53C6A669.4020806@exherbo.org> <53C6C2E1.1040006@gentoo.org> <53C6D24D.40507@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:54:46 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qV1hK0McZbCkobWwfZ9eKOZLGII Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 48525f3a-3dc8-4def-b5c6-0190f8b290bc X-Archives-Hash: 1fc93634c1a970ee90581b372967ec04 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > > Let me try and be clearer. The packages I'm concerned with have had > their distfiles backed up. We're not yet in that situation but the day > the publisher stops distributing these distfiles, I'll be ready to > send the right email to the (hopefully) right person and hope for the > best. I was suggesting we did that more often. And with that I'll stop > here, because these childish arguments are not worth any more of my > time. > If people as individuals want to do that then this is something between them and their local government - it is their responsibility to follow their own local laws or face the consequences. If it is a game they bought then having an original copy of it is even completely legal everywhere I'm aware of. It only becomes an issue if Gentoo is going to host a copy of it, even if privately. If this is a matter of having some Gentoo project that lets people donate CDs of old games so that perhaps some day we can get permission to distribute copies of them, then I'd question the relevance to our mission, but it seems legal enough. On the other hand, having a server someplace full of tarballs of unlicensed reproductions of distfiles seems like a legal landmine. I think it is a laudable concept - it just probably isn't wise to do it under our organization as we really aren't set up for something like this. We do operate in many jurisdictions where that activity is likely to be found illegal, and the US is just one of them (the one where we keep most of our money, BTW). Now something that has been talked about is having a better way to archive patches and such which are legal to store and redistribute. We don't really have a good solution for that either, but it seems like an easier problem to solve legally. Rich