From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD45138C9D for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 17:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF254E0904; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 17:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f181.google.com (mail-ig0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6A8FE08F1 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 17:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igblo3 with SMTP id lo3so17042176igb.1 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=dyymtHSLhTdaJB0ig+ixh8jis6bqJ3frL0Cb1KLLYRo=; b=tHVs2ol40tlaF4g2cKZVktpn6E0pS0sfUKnyJjD5FpaoHp1Aye0lgV20nF30Vn4bE1 zEGHKZVYS2SXLZTPZC5nB3++A5hGhUqBq7fn6lfXiZf/TezoeGvTVuOILkr5p1TWxa7x jjUiZOOWdGI3/64Xda4JHDsqDIoaG6nCUhU7IBtxrGKMINh9O+CzeNeWbuDPiIibrIEZ eLBj0lOZrfsAT/csg2hU1qOgazitkKDb+5Hsq2KKT97SCWzNOpZPf/lXZU4KZndRmTBr Ujl5avKLeXwurGI8sYwHs6R/eFH2k/HjHaSGuJLnEsVyeHE6xgrtANEuf0PDEFV+e36/ EgpQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.38.17 with SMTP id m17mr5073939iom.84.1429290910306; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.48.66 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55311BA1.4050906@gentoo.org> References: <552A625D.7030000@seismic.de> <1428844100.2041.166.camel@gentoo.org> <552A80E9.1010103@seismic.de> <201504121705.13255.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <552DDC18.3050304@seismic.de> <20150415130214.18559.qmail@stuge.se> <5530E162.2010409@gentoo.org> <20150417140030.2a4dc50e53bbebc8a77edef7@gentoo.org> <5530EB29.9030205@gentoo.org> <20150417152653.20f25fd7e411f7e2cc59f51b@gentoo.org> <55310178.2090404@gentoo.org> <20150417173349.2b4eef4151a3e45719be2bd5@gentoo.org> <55311BA1.4050906@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:15:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _usS-jqvkpJrVCO3d1j5QbYBEpg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer? From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 4e5a80c5-d954-45c1-8fce-86e791578189 X-Archives-Hash: a3fceef1d19205928ba7d2667da9aa66 On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was >> needed, now effort is doubled at least > You have correctly identified the problem; in order to do things > properly one must do things properly, which is more difficult than not > doing things properly. > "Properly" is just a matter of requirements. Gentoo has 18k packages right now. In my general experience, they install fine maybe 95% of the time. If you said that you could increase that success rate from 95% to 99.99% by dropping to 500 packages, I'd tell you that I'd prefer things just they way they are. And that is the challenge. Everything is a trade-off. Right now we end up dropping packages because we can't find one person to maintain them. With a review workflow we'll drop packages if we can't find two people to maintain them. I doubt that would mean merely a 50% reduction, since our interests tend to be varied. You'll have some packages that are popular and there will be 10 people interested in reviewing them. Then you'll have many more packages that are cared for by a single person. -- Rich