From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPcTO-00069Q-U8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:59:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45D9921C071; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463E221C03B for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkaq10 with SMTP id q10so6402889bka.40 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:59:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YGXY5gqqgXgtPrUZsNhNDNsh+BqfopexzYVQv/zsltY=; b=W+mWeHdpfCghVOsHGQfbby0ByhMY/OhTsxQ7ebVdX+x+9GVxuIsXAluRJB7VqKwqvX CtjPq1FzRkf+WoLUBTGaTbeJmdZ8jRcr3goKtm1REbhk5MBI5lo3ELzyetZZSCIzlfRK SYjpqC9MdpbXafWd59B/q3xzxcjf0yC1o2M4E= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.119.207 with SMTP id fv15mr15865157bkc.100.1321199958330; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:59:18 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.65.195 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:59:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> <4EBFCD5D.3080807@gentoo.org> <1321194595-sup-8983@raeviah> <4EBFE727.8000903@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:59:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NOT3_MTLhBZJ9nVOwDdCamn8zc8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: b031b1f0-22ad-41b7-a7cf-07877b7a80a9 X-Archives-Hash: 223af9762724715a2bf76b41ead26649 On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: > 1. Who defines, what the default should be and when it is acceptable to force an unknown amount of > users to change their settings? Well, this did go on a mailing list, and so far we have all of 13 unique participants, so this seems like a bit of a tempest in a teapot considering that the change is trivial to undo. I'll admit that it is pretty subjective either way, and that is just more of a reason not to turn it into a huge controversy. Users who would be most sensitive to changes won't even see this until it hits stable (if you don't like change, you shouldn't be running ~arch). This is actually the sort of thing that might make for a good news item (hey, we have a new setting and if you don't like it just do this...). Ultimately I think that it is up to the team maintaining a particular component of the distro to make initial determinations of how that component should behave, of course consulting with the list about things likely to be of wide interest is always good but this was done in this case. If people want to appeal there is always making an appeal to the team lead, and then to the Council. There should be no reprimands or stigma associated with having a decision reversed by the Council - people shouldn't have to second-guess minor decisions like this. I don't think it serves Gentoo to call for a vote (council, devs, or otherwise) every time somebody wants to change the portage defaults, especially regarding matters that are cosmetic. Rich