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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge
From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
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On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:17 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:
> I take your point, but I would argue that the kernel and boot subsystem
> really are special cases .. you don't go hacking around the chromium
> sources to fundamentally alter the way/order it works, right?! Likewise,
> if you don't like chromium, you might install firefox .. cf. say, Lilo
> and grub. It is the flexibility (and, I concede, the complexity, and
> hence 'power') that defines Gentoo here.
>
I think the bigger issue with the kernel is the huge configuration
space it has. Chromium may have a ton of USE flags compared to most
packages, but those pale in comparison to the kernel. Obviously it
would not make sense to try to create a USE flag for every
configuration option. Now, a package that built and installed a
kernel might have a few USE flags. For example, it might have flags
equivalent to the gentoo config add-ons (for openrc/systemd, and so
on). It might also have flags that give it some default
configuration, or an all-modules configuration, or an all-builtin
configuration. I imagine that most distros ship something close to an
all-modules config.
In any case, that isn't really any kind of policy issue. For whatever
reason nobody has bothered to create a package. Certainly nobody
would object to somebody adding a new kernel package that builds and
installs a fully configured kernel. It might even become the
recommended default in the kernel (without getting rid of the other
options).
--
Rich