From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618C413827E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 23:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC60DE0AEB; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 23:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D039EE0ADE for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 23:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oy12so2307872veb.40 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:25:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=0OMcvz5/oVXlEFqVD2u/rLEzXrghggJjenLWSmqjQUo=; b=VagC8tq5ZZqeWA7Bv+L4ux3eXjRa20f6APrM27RXUXs5B0nvhWdbRfXy/eOR7GU4/o XqUZB6jhBTzwt0yF6lmwcD4J7Ibnclh0luTjeimscao+uoNysstJvlYsxT0z3awnPqTb W3bOttJkmZ1PFZtW+cFmZVTWG1HfkgUdrHR5V6EJpj1kJVGEbsz1eRXTp37AqgHtACjT 319IoMY3klSLn0840ZU/QMl05bNB4xGHHRWL2lsnIzJCwTzELrtrTDQHSb/NsL+mknw+ Mui601RviA+HA1OL6B37UZD8FJnxlZuvEKFo6MYX2YJ586CZt9ymje8Jghng2O2Odt5a wYpQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.230.102 with SMTP id sx6mr5554403vdc.15.1386458753933; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:25:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.112.99 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:25:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52A32F3F.2030209@gentoo.org> References: <20131201102015.GA1219@egeo> <20131202202845.GA8574@linux1> <529CF973.2020008@gentoo.org> <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <52A2B788.3040409@gentoo.org> <52A32F3F.2030209@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:25:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OToUcvVW-UDvREtqU0Qnbquphoc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: fb1edc23-213e-442e-9986-e53f9d092b30 X-Archives-Hash: d42f838986c5342679f91c53a333e2de On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > Choice is fine, I love choice, but to have a user unpack a stage tarball > and find no way at all to handle their networking.... that's just ugly. > I mean we could just have dhcpcd in @system and let people figure it > out from there (wouldn't be my first choice but it would work) but I > would say it is rare enough to not need net that removing all networking > options from stage3 is near suicidal. > > I can do all kinds of amazing things on a system without an MTA. But if > I have no net I can't even install net.... If you have no bootloader you can't install a bootloader. If you have no kernel... You don't need dhcpcd in your stage3 to chroot into your stage3 - the network is established by the install CD. You just lose the network if you reboot before you've installed a network manager, in which case you need to reboot from the CD, chroot, install the network manager, and then reboot again. It is no different than forgetting to install other popular and critical packages like lilo or pf-sources, and I don't see anybody suggesting that those should be on the stage3. I don't use WiFi so it isn't that big a deal for me personally, but I can see the argument in making the installation of a network manager part of the handbook. We already have a whole page on how to set up the network for the install CD itself assuming dhcp doesn't just work. Rich