From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-75139-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>
Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80])
by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB059CAF
for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:54:30 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B075821C047;
Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:54:21 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-io0-f182.google.com (mail-io0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF21021C034
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-io0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 2so105127592ioy.1
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject
:from:to;
bh=YwokuN3wwDA2fX7U0z3ZCrlhzTdC5sPMKQ3RiXsuxbY=;
b=hPsWQJyhxvAszXR2rh56TrFxugkTQqTfxJMLriadGZEsKmjJmpLoMoelw4ivL1o/Ea
FRx+jCm7imzyxY1brGdJHFXMa1MWnbVKHgUkZvt8tGNQB4Uebam9NLIoRLVf0WqyIaDK
L9cwXd1byK1msZ5AuNsenFPOoDLCzwnNcXPqE7qd/UUMlQq2JtmMewFYEopFtGQ3kRuI
wx1jFl9Tt1HcreMD5R6PD5kUh/mZiEAPkXFhtBfTvN9c13DTRWOP63m571GxF4WpV3FL
TV91jEe2BeittWjL7y49luJ1AEv5HckcgalVBGmt0YE+e5fagArifkESRs4y1ZM7upml
Rc6A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date
:message-id:subject:from:to;
bh=YwokuN3wwDA2fX7U0z3ZCrlhzTdC5sPMKQ3RiXsuxbY=;
b=BEHgT3bDbe14eVsNTerrcOJtQe+sWfIKgaRjcptAIJFBL7pZrlzVgZVBK3eN5lbeEz
u4Ssn7MugABinErugSI/nCnXOKIt2cvdk847eKFDwGD1J0Zi8CYYrRrY9k9PY31qwzV3
WuSclf1kRuNM+coTXG4gXtYUsP4ePf9+HVwR0x91tKaCj2UzNPa7l8aYchZu/jlUGMzj
dghUmWxOewFe9oW54I0tjatjFWyfym65gwoJDysVoOyhonLMG3wWec8+pZTVsYPaMOvv
8Qo8kW+w/D2oCwd5pigfIhaLUM4wU9V2vxV7AFdxMNto3ud8sWgZdgISM4XP7N1VCBRv
Dzbg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKSG11OTRvUTDXbkM41U6qXdqLsVCcnHtPSa6e/ItJ9+kl9PI+oB0H5PvYtDxz1C0HsYsU9Lr040rGJDg==
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.107.186.137 with SMTP id k131mr5050084iof.136.1460055259849;
Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com
Received: by 10.64.52.72 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <5706A7A6.3080402@iee.org>
References: <570312c8.1469ca0a.30985.5db1@mx.google.com>
<570523FD.3040703@iee.org>
<570530D4.4030803@gentoo.org>
<20160406204310.GA11167@whubbs1.gaikai.biz>
<B82FCCAA-B1D4-4E5B-8A65-7DB2513C5513@gentoo.org>
<763f78cb-66f7-484f-bb64-a182f2747d54@gentoo.org>
<57067172.49cbca0a.693b1.ffff9909@mx.google.com>
<pan$7ccf5$4b00782b$ed32390c$5ee7f155@cox.net>
<CAGfcS_k4gXfYWmzJJfPFop1-QVR9J55Lu5pbReD0sNLDiuoe9Q@mail.gmail.com>
<20160407154636.GA26596@whubbs1.gaikai.biz>
<CAGfcS_=81Rh0eOzW7z6Wvshid+jNx+3_7v2f=WiHbjGi5iipBA@mail.gmail.com>
<b717674a-feb4-4979-90fc-31f6f3fd57eb@gentoo.org>
<5706A7A6.3080402@iee.org>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:54:19 -0400
X-Google-Sender-Auth: leJ_i-MCIp3Okq86vWEVkCPR5Zw
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_m1Cu8+Sc7gw04bDysdfsZAC_PV-tf3GjV0GDk1A_rSqg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge
From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Archives-Salt: 24bb9595-ac35-4b58-a90a-c6a79556a0c0
X-Archives-Hash: 0d3c4d87be71985474259995de89bd66
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:32 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:
> In the spirit of hearing arguments for/against .. could someone with the
> appropriate 'fu' throw up a quick survey for those on this ML (and/or
> possibly the g-users?) to indicate a preference for a change to a
> flattened-/usr system?
>
> I did think re: the eudev "debate" that it was really hard to quantify
> the opinion for and against a change, and take it away from the vocal
> people that obviously feel passionately about their cause :) .
>
By all means do so, but we can probably save the trouble and assume
that 95% of the respondents would prefer things remain as they are,
and probably 80% would suggest that Gentoo should fully support
systems without /usr mounted during early boot.
Gentoo has become a fairly conservative distro, even more so when
everybody else dropped support for not running systemd.
I personally think the /usr merge is a cleaner approach (and I'd go a
step further and merge sbin and bin), but it was rightly said that
many of the benefits of a merge only come when you do a lot of other
things as well. Of course, we could go ahead and do those things
later.
I think the main immediate benefit of a usr merge is that it actually
reduces the risk of shebangs and such pointing to the wrong place (due
to compat links, and there only being one right place in general), and
it greatly consolidates the static stuff on the filesystem.
--
Rich