From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC21387C3 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D866E0630; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ia0-f175.google.com (mail-ia0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83194E05F8 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r4so5208644iaj.34 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:11:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zVvMwi6bRQHW7SEmIgN50444wN4/pxBTmd1JS7axhZw=; b=GxxtZhw463zZXBGEPqkPfUewq6A3n5BRj84lLUE5pRE+apgW02bQNdDdkAWiC4l/V0 VKwejftfaGc8sO4s56WNa2Bz/8CuKxAR2+leSawYsSYsU83xB66Or6zxte15bjSGujY5 Lr6+x7MID5oVdEqnvHqZMc16zYLh+QPja0IBFLitFDg6Y8l+VUcdy6h9QD7OIf7m+r/3 slv5kZ8QpVhGZ5FTxzTkYWIUBcyzuNXMXpRBCh49X02PLLCXYYMEtK+K/wZXnr1Oac1A zhm4dWGG/KoOBI46ivKNEd7+0j1fYZVfnPjHQ8mgG8gZ7bclYhFxuCwzD74jtG1PCPxD UzIg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.237.5 with SMTP id uy5mr937639igc.12.1359717073751; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:11:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.30.231 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:11:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:11:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: g7V0167fhgcBt53Doe2Jxc1VYlY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Please stop useless removals (was: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-arcade/bitefusion) From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: e2c28a9e-06d4-48d5-b781-81c720e04eef X-Archives-Hash: 7682bac63355b23a3d9fd148b516f94d On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Vaeth > wrote: >> Please, please, stop removing packages for no reason! >> This happens now way too often: >> > > If folks do not want to maintain it anymore, then it will be removed. > Feel free to contribute to Gentoo and maintain the packages. > I think this makes sense, IFF there is something fundamentally wrong with the package. Being unmaintained in and of itself is not something fundamentally wrong with the package. Having a few open bugs is not either. Having security problems or being unusable is. I'd throw in things like serious file collisions and similar serious quality problems as well. I'd even throw in a missing distfile, but only if no user of the software is willing to proxy maintain that aspect of the package. The one thing missing from this discussion is that users CAN proxy-maintain things. Oh, and ANYBODY can run an overlay (it just won't necessarily be listed in layman - but that is how every distro does it). I do think it is a loss for Gentoo if we start removing packages simply because they don't change (which is all a dead upstream means - it isn't always a bad thing). Rich