From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C331381F3 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCAC7E084A; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBFC1E0802 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p13so2378349vbe.25 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 04:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Le5lPbsCDDQVeJc3bv+2c6rGY+KPZEyKeKEdnsJcpr0=; b=G2DsA+TiIatCRfg5iaKnjP8JCW9GuEwnefSqhBV3mvOE/6aP87CPL4QooMOWgoCO57 AKSaPuJQXasK3veI1NBLhyRblgyJtpq35UMWV55E0E5IPNqqQ0InSbRwc7uSd81DsJ/8 6dPENa8hZUGQ4lcL2aF6ICFXKV/4dau1D0WilX3ZWlrmFsLSZIiMfymYvkkrVxE7i83+ UV3AwYEEXllgJydBCQmICZweGhDJR59ucUJ++MUmO2dFd9BwiIQfp9adnAjeoHA6RrQO x74hM9tVnKx+4FH0qXhIAojwhGagnN1AV0duj8fxXfHX5LGs9ofu8ngOGpZPZlFei2ro /eSg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.88.2 with SMTP id bc2mr6433449vdb.27.1368097240004; Thu, 09 May 2013 04:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.4 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 04:00:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130509021843.GB1968@waltdnes.org> References: <518A71AA.8070101@gentoo.org> <20130509021843.GB1968@waltdnes.org> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 07:00:39 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WOJ1MQzsgeQhP_har-NYMyxoiUI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 075507ab-8214-428c-a61e-366e0b19d2f6 X-Archives-Hash: 780df536296192e461a68ef271a4d98c On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:31:21PM +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote > >> The overhead of the files' presence is trivial, and most users won't >> care. Those who do care have a trivial line to add in make.conf, and >> that is for the small number of people who share your vitriol for the >> systemd project. > > Then howsabout a "units" ebuild that installs all available units > files for systemd users? "The overhead of the files' presence is > trivial, and most systemd users won't care". Read the rest of the thread and the archives. Both suggestions have been discussed and they're not practical. Your first suggestion was specifically rejected by the council. Your second one was suggested only yesterday in this very same thread. > > The thread title says it all... normal Gentoo users don't use systemd. There is no such thing as a "normal Gentoo user." About the closest you'll come is a hypothetical Gentoo user who doesn't touch /etc/portage. I suspect that the time will be approaching soon that there will be more development/testing targeting systemd than OpenRC on Gentoo. I'm sure the default will remain as-is for a long-time. For how many years was the typical developer running OpenRC while the typical user was running baselayout 1? The goal is to make systemd a first class citizen in Gentoo, nothing more. Developers will not be required to run it, or test on it, just as they aren't required to run or test on OpenRC or FreeBSD (two other first-class citizens in Gentoo). If you don't want unit files installed, just use INSTALL_MASK as endorsed by the Council. Ditto for docs, or init.d files, or whatever. Rich