From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SrGTU-00050f-US for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:42:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37AE4E00B2; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FFDE05DB for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so918041bkw.40 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bdNHjlmxXK8y000eVBq+8cnvvK9XGH9HQ4n5Ss7GHmI=; b=hU+O5xnzd2OW/qvK+p6zzmVFZw3BdlnfUVj8s8qQsJX7Z/oWzIsKoyZN9SQXW6yAgE IFTmBY6BkCY0XwnYbLme9zlndycjxPLw2mLw9trATgPTXTQqN1Q1gCz0djugxP+IqKtW 9UT2X9OU0VWObus56QIXvqFO/QeZVVpbb8C6xmB6KJMLkB/uaC8MWzXeKDvh9TJKIbHK dySK+nbwEJTZ0EeMBow+ZnRKd1/CD8FVDwVW3ulAQ9x9O/ZOWA1AVee+X1LeuZEPLz3Q 4JvzwjJVnyhHR/81hKFyKYyqhxf4H+uLzyEwkTCE6xiiF7BSS7CjlMkoebPpnc0TksLB 1hNg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.127.131 with SMTP id ha3mr306802bkc.123.1342564886159; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.35.79 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> References: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:41:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e0QtkcuOmVTHsTCMg6yYLZsb_4Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: acc2dfc9-97fc-42ae-907c-a582594e3b7e X-Archives-Hash: 1113ffebc1c00066db4dbd6681408f08 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > I have also been told that the /usr merge is necessary because upstream > will force it on us. Interestingly, most of @system on Gentoo Linux is > GNU software, which would need to stop supporting things in / in order > for that to happen. I don't think anybody in Gentoo is advocating a full /usr merge. I think that the only thing that has been happening is that there will not be any heroic measures to keep a system with a separate /usr booting without the use of an initramfs or some early-running script. It doesn't matter that the majority of @system software is GNU. For a separate /usr to not work does not require ALL of the software to not support it, but only for a few pieces of software to not support it - a chain is as strong as its weakest link. In any case, it sounds like for now some devs are continuing to adjust ebuilds to keep a separate /usr working as well as possible, though it apparently breaks in some edge cases right now without an initramfs, as you've already noted in your email. I don't think anybody in Gentoo is really pushing for a /usr merge - there are just lots of devs saying that they aren't going to spend a lot of time stopping it either. If upstream sticks files needed to boot in /usr then it is basically up to somebody who cares to do something to move them. Right now that isn't a lot of work, but the reason people are concerned is that this is likely to change. If somebody really is pushing for an all-out /usr move by all means speak up, but I think that basically what everybody is advocating is trying to follow upstream for individual packages. Rich