From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SoyUU-0005CP-3O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:06:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89160E075B; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75617E0466 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1079673bkw.40 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:05:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SAnmPQAPMvhH6WIbNQHr6+PCNUYlF2L1kV9ilTeJu1c=; b=Gx6z1/m+XA6NKnWZUH7MsE0K2I/iWCYr3YZfBnH67XBQ2uJKeG2OWek16pNIdvQIqY ZUeAuisKJGTpkMRMGSKolMaeG+nGi6eDALLpScl5aKhAmmM9mnfoBIEvFlLxcdELkasv UeO9DjeD/dS5f7c/yFFU0agrUVBXi7rGb1J4ncDJn1nQd+szH/CpM/NpoVuGZ0wi7UN4 RB47sD/Oqbh4y44rdOtdUyI6NPzmC3b+rjwFvWhkrWEttEx0TWpAFKSHOAAAQ+gmH+Rd znvzxNlyX2fMNa8iah4ZF/RkzFIW0esQondwdVqh5qq2qMYI+2hhY9F4X8A7S5zNG+cs gN0g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.128.214 with SMTP id l22mr6104157bks.86.1342019109430; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.4.71 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:05:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120711165237.23e02b2d@pomiocik.lan> References: <20120710171800.493a7c4c@pomiocik.lan> <4FFC813B.7090501@gentoo.org> <20120711160946.2cb6fe64@pomiocik.lan> <20120711165237.23e02b2d@pomiocik.lan> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:05:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l1EBj3_FGzFgX7iGY4yaQzendro Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev From: Rich Freeman To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, tommy@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 6c7e2d0c-8e03-4e8e-a9f8-043c8f28a2a1 X-Archives-Hash: 0142dd8fc6264c4a8b169167a6cc8523 On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > Are you aware how much additional code and maintenance does keeping two > hacked build systems introduce? One of things I don't want to do is > keeping the list of *all other* systemd targets up-to-date, > and installing them all by hand. I'd assumed that Thomas was representing some lack of consensus among the systemd team. If the systemd team really is aligned with wanting to install udev within their build then the virtual makes sense to me. It would have no impact on other packages and would make things easier for systemd. That said, we need to keep an eye on any continuing drift between udev and our needs. If there is a fork and one does the /usr move then we need to figure out some way of handling that. Just seems like part of the continuing "Androidification" of Linux. It really is the year of the linux desktop (or phone), but linux only in the sense of the kernel that is being run. Between the /usr move, systemd, upstart, wayland, unity, GnomeOS, udev, and who knows what is next, it seems like we're going to end up with 20 medium-sized distros and no piece of code runs reliably on more than one or two of them. Linux will end up having less in common with itself than it currently has in common with Solaris. Rich