From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAF11139694 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F37621C1F2; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb0-x243.google.com (mail-yb0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DD1A21C184 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb0-x243.google.com with SMTP id k6so6036457ybk.2 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=/RDpzCh/wSQc1OLllpoBp8QgLjOJ1rZdRsKYl8ZvqiE=; b=T8aPbZMpKKFRFw+x2Z79F8noaUD+Qh+q0ZQeKFto3PWQqHSiFe2KFRSw6n0YRhjOVD 6dEzthHcXHU1PmNzn62R15yN2uiJYnJIEr4SJA6XhGbZ4cfK3K8IKUIHKQg1rsJ5KOvU YJBPYsnYL9Hgsv3Zqq4uN/CVkmtWiFTNVZ9upBXxOab9bicsa9wM/xDtgpYzzrzvlBHL SGAsPnKvvpicHil1EC6UN9PyyC1mcYt1wHvEY4mpBF6tzh494sOjFhuw6IatzDTMG8O9 EBVcWsOTWH/ivVAdXUi+wL9lHkuK2LMvBsosA2bX13NgfqYyETbvSh0/5ZMhICfIXucU f4yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/RDpzCh/wSQc1OLllpoBp8QgLjOJ1rZdRsKYl8ZvqiE=; b=iff04CfvHiVEX9v+CcLW3Y7KvgwaiT7IBkF6gbt6TGgUYitB/iXskpLZQamNccupLB zzkhnev+pZFpIUXCnzyzvlFti3dy5xWHBUwMagqxNYYpsQXLLmAio/lGvCbZ5JT5VEPR Ws76iDgFel5yOAmEQwyJUpSp2idwrAOSuRh0mUvYlb6BeBABxZmcbT5GLsM+oNHuYxHX JkZIeTIGGaomBtML21UT6U21WRRwl3yLC0J/77SKZ3J8zx4pReEQvM2vgxXNr1QVtPyR 38DNoOEq6wPEol4RYjk3EsCJPtjXvfJhs6ZG+z11KpTmXpD9QXKZF+OSNqwVdCdEUCIA Pgvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2UTrD2jPJoTaM7jnRkMQLFd3V3VGDdPQOHYAR7tXkwbReVmSGdCGGbtWbJ5dbq8+Xn37KUxgFVNuLCAg== X-Received: by 10.13.200.7 with SMTP id k7mr40768238ywd.157.1491857916210; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.169.70 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1491847844.1661.10.camel@gentoo.org> <7756897.IrvZLuE8XP@note> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:58:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YM8kw39SKJxafp-XRCECfVwnFHo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: a89e1bcb-5769-49c3-ad7f-bb7f43a3ead3 X-Archives-Hash: 6dd12881b46fb9719a9e8411c35f244a On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:15 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Signs are all around. Lots of posts about packages up for grabs etc... > Of course I am the one killing Gentoo. Despite having been gone for > years. Not posting for months etc. > > People need to wake up. The stats are poor. > You're certainly not the problem, but just a symptom. The fact that everybody feels they either lack the power or shouldn't use their power to do something about nonsense like this is a larger issue. Either way the people complaining about the things that are wrong with Gentoo are doing little to inspire people to bother fixing them. If you said that a healthy Gentoo was good for your business half the devs would be tempted to sabotage their own packages just to give you headaches. Ditto for many of the others who complain that "Gentoo is dying." One of the downsides of adhering to the spirit of being community based is that these kinds of battles never really get resolved until a lot of people choose to walk away. In the end, those who contribute tend to do so because they care about the people will benefit from those contributions (including, but not limited to, themselves). As a result, a single complaint is probably worth 100 thank-you's as far as the impact to the overall project goes. It is unfortunate for everybody, because in a perfect world those who complain should be able to voice their concerns, and those who contribute should be able to feel good about their contributions regardless of the complaints. In the world we actually live in, peace often seems to be found only through avoidance. -- Rich