* [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
@ 2013-10-19 8:32 Pacho Ramos
2013-10-20 10:46 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-10-19 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev, gnome@gentoo.org
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Well, even if the stabilization is still waiting for two blocking bugs:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474128 -> for Orca 3.8
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486278 -> for getting a lvm2
version working ok with Systemd finally
I think we could start preparing the news item. I attach one based in
latest one from the times of 2.32 :D
It only points to Gnome 3.8 upgrade guide as that guide is already
pointing to Systemd guide for migrating (and explaining the Systemd
need)
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Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-10-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
possible issues relating to the upgrade (including instructions for
migrating to Systemd).
Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-19 8:32 [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8 Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-10-20 10:46 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-10-20 10:52 ` Johannes Huber
2013-10-22 6:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-10-20 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome@gentoo.org
El sáb, 19-10-2013 a las 10:32 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> Well, even if the stabilization is still waiting for two blocking bugs:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474128 -> for Orca 3.8
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486278 -> for getting a lvm2
> version working ok with Systemd finally
>
> I think we could start preparing the news item. I attach one based in
> latest one from the times of 2.32 :D
>
> It only points to Gnome 3.8 upgrade guide as that guide is already
> pointing to Systemd guide for migrating (and explaining the Systemd
> need)
>
A user replied to me suggesting to reword it to simply:
Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-10-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
possible issues relating to the upgrade.
Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-20 10:46 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-10-20 10:52 ` Johannes Huber
2013-10-22 6:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Johannes Huber @ 2013-10-20 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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Am Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2013, 12:46:40 schrieb Pacho Ramos:
> El sáb, 19-10-2013 a las 10:32 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > Well, even if the stabilization is still waiting for two blocking bugs:
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474128 -> for Orca 3.8
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486278 -> for getting a lvm2
> > version working ok with Systemd finally
> >
> > I think we could start preparing the news item. I attach one based in
> > latest one from the times of 2.32 :D
> >
> > It only points to Gnome 3.8 upgrade guide as that guide is already
> > pointing to Systemd guide for migrating (and explaining the Systemd
> > need)
>
> A user replied to me suggesting to reword it to simply:
>
>
> Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
> Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2013-10-19
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
>
> We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> possible issues relating to the upgrade.
>
> Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
How about to change the title to "GNOME 3.8 Upgrade"?
Greetings
--
Johannes Huber (johu)
Gentoo Linux Developer / KDE Team
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-20 10:46 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-10-20 10:52 ` Johannes Huber
@ 2013-10-22 6:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-10-22 6:42 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-11-14 21:22 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2013-10-22 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: pacho, gnome
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> possible issues relating to the upgrade.
> Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
Neither this version nor the one you posted in your previous message
is reasonable as a news item. A news item should be descriptive and
self-contained (at least to some degree). It's o.k. to include links
pointing to further information, but that shouldn't be the only
contents.
Ulrich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 6:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2013-10-22 6:42 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-10-22 6:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-11-14 21:22 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-10-22 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
El mar, 22-10-2013 a las 08:34 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió:
> >>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
> > We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> > strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> > possible issues relating to the upgrade.
>
> > Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
> > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
>
> Neither this version nor the one you posted in your previous message
> is reasonable as a news item. A news item should be descriptive and
> self-contained (at least to some degree). It's o.k. to include links
> pointing to further information, but that shouldn't be the only
> contents.
>
> Ulrich
>
What is your suggestion? Lets compare it with the 2.32 one that looks to
were valid in the past:
"We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-2.32. Users are
strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 2.32 Upgrade Guide, to avoid any
possible issues relating to the upgrade, such as gnome-panel hanging
issues, evolution migration problems and others.
Please read the Gnome 2.32 Upgrade Guide:
http://gnome.gentoo.org/howtos/gnome-2.32-upgrade.xml"
??
Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-10-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
possible issues relating to the upgrade. The guide will also show you
how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now.
Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 6:42 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-10-22 6:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-10-22 12:02 ` Rich Freeman
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2013-10-22 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> Neither this version nor the one you posted in your previous message
>> is reasonable as a news item. A news item should be descriptive and
>> self-contained (at least to some degree). It's o.k. to include links
>> pointing to further information, but that shouldn't be the only
>> contents.
> What is your suggestion?
Include at least a short summary of the upgrade guide's key points in
the news item.
> Lets compare it with the 2.32 one that looks to were valid in the
> past:
That we had less than optimal news items in the past doesn't mean that
we shouldn't do better now.
Ulrich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 6:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2013-10-22 12:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-10-22 17:43 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Rich Freeman @ 2013-10-22 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
>> Lets compare it with the 2.32 one that looks to were valid in the
>> past:
>
> That we had less than optimal news items in the past doesn't mean that
> we shouldn't do better now.
I also think that the need to move to systemd is certainly worth a mention.
I don't think news items need to be completely self-contained, but
they should include any significant issues. Changing an init system
and re-configuring all your daemons is certainly a significant issue.
Rich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 12:02 ` Rich Freeman
@ 2013-10-22 17:43 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-10-22 17:58 ` Rich Freeman
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-10-22 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
El mar, 22-10-2013 a las 08:02 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >
> >> Lets compare it with the 2.32 one that looks to were valid in the
> >> past:
> >
> > That we had less than optimal news items in the past doesn't mean that
> > we shouldn't do better now.
>
> I also think that the need to move to systemd is certainly worth a mention.
>
> I don't think news items need to be completely self-contained, but
> they should include any significant issues. Changing an init system
> and re-configuring all your daemons is certainly a significant issue.
>
> Rich
>
>
The last revision includes this reference:
"The guide will also show you
how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now."
But the news item cannot contain all the information needed for that ->
people need to read the pointed guide for that :/
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 17:43 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-10-22 17:58 ` Rich Freeman
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From: Rich Freeman @ 2013-10-22 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> The last revision includes this reference:
> "The guide will also show you
> how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now."
>
> But the news item cannot contain all the information needed for that ->
> people need to read the pointed guide for that :/
WFM.
I think the key is to highlight classes of users who should take the
time to look at the guide. If somebody has been through many Gnome
upgrades, in what way is this upgrade not like all the others?
Rich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-10-22 6:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-10-22 6:42 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-11-14 21:22 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-11-15 3:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-15 19:33 ` Pacho Ramos
1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-11-14 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
New try:
Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-11-14
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
possible issues relating to the upgrade. The guide will also show you
how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now,
suggesting you how to avoid blockers and problems trying to let you
have a smoother update.
Additionally, will inform you about important changes regarding
configuration and troubleshooting.
Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-11-14 21:22 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2013-11-15 3:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-15 19:33 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Rich Freeman @ 2013-11-15 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> possible issues relating to the upgrade. The guide will also show you
> how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now,
> suggesting you how to avoid blockers and problems trying to let you
> have a smoother update.
I like it - highlights the key elements that users should be aware of,
and directs them to more details.
Rich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] News item about Gnome 3.8
2013-11-14 21:22 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-11-15 3:26 ` Rich Freeman
@ 2013-11-15 19:33 ` Pacho Ramos
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Pacho Ramos @ 2013-11-15 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gnome
El jue, 14-11-2013 a las 22:22 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> New try:
>
> Title: Upgrade to GNOME 3.8
> Author: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2013-11-14
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-3.8
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-light-3.8
> Display-If-Installed: <gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8
>
> We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> possible issues relating to the upgrade. The guide will also show you
> how to migrate to systemd as it is the only supported setup now,
> suggesting you how to avoid blockers and problems trying to let you
> have a smoother update.
>
> Additionally, will
-> *it* will (as pointed by Mark Pariente via mail) :)
> inform you about important changes regarding
> configuration and troubleshooting.
>
> Please read the Gnome 3.8 Upgrade Guide:
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/3.8-upgrade-guide
>
>
>
>
>
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