From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAAC-0007pT-9S for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:36:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63C1121C241; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD2521C1E2 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaai1 with SMTP id i1so11384076eaa.40 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:35:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E6+jn1tpan7HTkKr+cMt+NTbaj4AuhTni403arjbx34=; b=epTWb/CHR8+P1phR9wQUmgRXOhfvWOTH3kYCt1heb2j2d8/hwed0gBe53DS6LJtEpE npbWhynSvk+AgA1T6Y2lI45KSGA2JCfLmW3roZYtI5mQq/OTDH9loNC7Zhn45B99qSk0 uR5jhvhGwvM1a99n7Gra6DnnrIWBcoybzkI9Q= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.17 with SMTP id u17mr9774125bkw.57.1325619348015; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:35:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.19.1 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:35:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1325618379.20627.6.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <1325401942.12935.11.camel@TesterTop4> <4F000C32.6020602@gentoo.org> <1325449284.12935.21.camel@TesterTop4> <20120101202355.30098545@googlemail.com> <1325454648.12935.24.camel@TesterTop4> <4F016DBE.2000209@gentoo.org> <1325616625.7238.23.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20120103190255.GA13817@linux1> <1325618379.20627.6.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:35:47 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: H-nTwiZ2k6Ie14N3nXrkutqdSi8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: fc2efba4-84b3-45fd-949a-03645dbe914d X-Archives-Hash: 05fca8b763f24efd9f2e28b48ddb5c63 2012/1/3 Olivier Cr=EAte : > A couple years ago, Gentoo was the forward looking distribution, ready > to try radical changes that break existing assumption, like our init > scripts with dependencies or our early use of udev. These days, I see so > much resistance to progress, it makes me sad. I think the key is to keep huge changes optional to start with. This one feels like it is being pushed upon us. I don't really have a big problem with moving to /usr and all that. However, I do have some concerns with the larger direction that everybody is taking with vertical integration (which this is just a part of). For example, if eventually you can't run gnome without systemd where does that leave bsd gentoo users? Gentoo is about choice, and various upstream efforts are moving in the direction of giving users only one choice - take it or leave it. How do you install KDE and Gnome on the same system when they eventually want different sysvinit implementations. Will the RedHat and Ubuntu of the future have no more in common than Tivo and Android do today? Rich