From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306401381F4 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CCDEE072C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BCBE06C8 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so111936bkw.40 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gJIweX0HAjNPpd4dBSWEySccGjIVmuHxdbi3CD8oweA=; b=0smg4/pc8vzgcjNDBvulXlTU9K/WDtOztT1juchktQ8mBeJg5lJ85HgefNjB5lLVTv McF/8t3KvTWmLilDOvaGM+XiDhDUd5xM9VcNsBAFg77mTq4J2ZsDD2aXbGtVc7PHZL/c KcSeiLmOLFmBik/ECrRKDYQdb+CAof8Sov43eW0Z5QsH1TxzUH4uXA33rMmM1nlo5nhT Ysx6Fl0OGSdTvMMZRD96euehaxMyf2sGnSXLGFO+HH3MNbPHNcjEJ3IImNbOqn1QgaUV zChxT7W0/za28lD0ho6mixr5pXU7GX3KyspVNWgOs22QJALGumEoBRwns0sHDp3Qdz3V YH1Q== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.194 with SMTP id m2mr5655324bkm.132.1344940296757; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.128.136 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:31:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120814032416.GA8489@kroah.com> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> <20120809195727.5d04ccff@googlemail.com> <20120814032416.GA8489@kroah.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:31:36 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pvLIGSaOP6rk2V8VYp12O1cWGUM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 149bf5a1-0543-4aca-8c3d-75d8b7373c85 X-Archives-Hash: b385e8c36c032ae6e9d9ff7f3f82876d On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:47:19PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wrote: >> > >> > I agree with Greg Kroah-Hartman: I actually like (and want) a >> > "vertically integrated, tightly coupled way of doing things". >> >> Well, if you completely agreed with him you wouldn't be running Gentoo >> (or Debian, or other general-purpose distros). He advocates that >> ordinary users should use more purpose-driven distros, where all of >> this stuff is less of an issue. > > That is not what I said, or mean at all. > > Given that I'm a Gentoo developer, and have been for a very long time, I > find it very strange that you would think otherwise. I did clarify my post in a reply, linking to your post and of course stating that you could clarify. Your words were: "I just don't think it can be done well, sorry, which is why I strongly recommend tightly-coupled distros for desktops for anyone (like Fedora or openSUSE or Ubuntu), and Debian or Gentoo only for servers or embedded systems where you know exactly what you are putting together, and why you are doing it that way." I'm not a big fan of putting words in mouths, so if I misread that than I apologize. In any case, I can't really argue much with that statement as-is, although I'd probably carve out an additional exception for enthusiasts or those who otherwise like to tinker under the hood. If you want strong vertical integration, you probably will never get as much of it with Gentoo as you might get with a tightly-coupled distro. Rich