From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED7A01396D0 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E23C41FC03E; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x244.google.com (mail-yw0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946D3E0784 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x244.google.com with SMTP id n83so3563590ywn.3 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=BOadglFpIU7g6Ee6WCVJLJYuVZ8hE9izV6GvuQ1FEIg=; b=VK/1CSHAF26L8/fN9TXufzptou4GWq19ib8gZinljT7d1VBRcakR34dJvqeksbbjSS cXKnFfc1L1vT+VjMtPmFBTuJ3hsAfDMXcJZ0zj4jYvbM7UbfX6q4v0gLLHLW4RZHJbOm 53fXYomOwPdtA7MeXlEizaj4rfG/W5KiGTJancbYYVF5ooHihPrgDNqhA2ECohjL/ExK drC4hQxdEqQXwWx+jWV3aTlYjbQlY1wImhQ4FWMTUcL4QYYd/+/sNvcs2Ow4YCyNLiY5 tl09ZaaFIbXwbe1EsdXrKRpBBy2Kcd5cyKhY0AZaF+72Eu8y7G1L4DX32ISHsOqWqB/Z 9edQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BOadglFpIU7g6Ee6WCVJLJYuVZ8hE9izV6GvuQ1FEIg=; b=UcmL1H/dB1hSMIhtyDjP1SJPfqRnQLORXum4XU9QI8jzNzCAhlIhgjDaVRCOR+VTfK LvVYmQUPUdR5pIr0Bv8y+h1iQLAY99GS8cgOuSSYPmGkY2m9bLNE8ZJPjF1soKS4gqYE 7maXDmjFLXIZ1UJRKlNEZNTXhXh2G+eLoAmrumDFkdGRsBgqlcBCcQ8xG5HleBGVzpOf 4uE2+VhmcINhsI4DST3m6BYSuPHB02N6xiiNiDxFgCxsohGpDmknPnMUHXavi7XA/85w 5HknMlfeWTUN1qaeEUIN9ar8HFU/9uYthqdfVLombOEkTpl/cRf0233v2/zF3BlE46ns NH/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hhUxDfhfzjkGcgrp8cYA1iCxUPPj3RQqFVU4TYdT7Jl1yS55+d ON3XuPau3o7rBlUJ8Fko4ct0RzpZQnMm X-Received: by 10.13.199.198 with SMTP id j189mr2246735ywd.284.1502533945568; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.71.3 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:32:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <99777392-a964-3865-c26b-ae47b443aa13@gentoo.org> References: <99777392-a964-3865-c26b-ae47b443aa13@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:32:24 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c10XM_SMCE8e4lM1eIJnPn0mUrY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 897aaa6e-c006-427a-bfd6-8fe490530b06 X-Archives-Hash: 29f9439c7103c376e69f17279f8f467a On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 08/12/2017 09:50 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Q. But what about the rebuilds? >> >> For most packages, the rebuilds simply don't matter. Unless you're >> the maintainer of libreoffice, firefox, chromium, etc. -- just do the >> revision and forget about the (quick) rebuilds. > > I really wish people would stop trotting out this false argument. Not > everyone has the latest and greatest hardware. Rebuilds have a real cost > to end users and as such we should use them wisely. > Agree, but maintainers would have the option to just not change IUSE at all until the next time they would revbump anyway. That saves rebuilds for those using --changed-use today. I'm not convinced that it is actually that easy for people to avoid --changed-use, and if they are using it then they're going to potentially get exposed to these rebuilds when IUSE changes. -- Rich