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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:26:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_kRo8+tUcuskomApEYYk92+60Ky=8HCm0pcBBDJ9bCc-w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae3c9435-00c7-45e5-646a-2dad355f875b@gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:19 PM, kuzetsa <kuzetsa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/20/2018 08:08 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, I think it is more of a technical constraint.  It is
>> basically impossible to blacklist somebody on a mailing list, since
>> all they need to do is roll up a new email address.
>>
>> I can think of various arguments for whitelisting or not whitelisting,
>> but it seems silly to blacklist.
>>
>
> require active stewardship (moderation, blacklisting, etc.)
>
> entry barriers to participation (default deny / require whitelist)
>
> if there are limitations on free speech, someone has to bear the burden.
> for gentoo to have list moderation (blacklist approach) which isn't
> dysfunctional, the main barrier to resources will be the human resources
> end of things, not technical constraints. The tools themselves are easy
> enough to use, but people who are willing and able to use them, and with
> a clear guideline for how it needs done is a comrel issue which the
> foundation needs to sort out.
>

List moderation isn't the same as blacklisting.  With moderation
you're effectively whitelisting because the first post anybody makes
would be held for moderation, and depending on the approach you could
moderate everything.

If you allowed new subscribers to post without being held for
moderation, then the issues I spoke of would still apply, no matter
how much manpower you threw at it.

-- 
Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27  1:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 12:17 [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness Michael Palimaka
2018-03-20 12:22 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-20 12:26 ` Lars Wendler
2018-03-20 13:41   ` Gregory Woodbury
2018-03-20 16:09     ` [gentoo-project] " Rich Freeman
2018-03-20 15:28 ` Matthew Thode
2018-03-20 18:17   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-21 23:56     ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-03-22  0:24       ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-21  5:36   ` Eray Aslan
2018-03-21 11:07     ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-21 14:44     ` Alec Warner
2018-03-21 16:31       ` Eray Aslan
2018-03-21 16:46         ` Alec Warner
2018-03-21 16:55       ` R0b0t1
2018-03-21 17:19         ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-21 23:44           ` Gregory Woodbury
2018-03-22  5:24       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2018-03-20 15:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexander Berntsen
2018-03-20 16:03   ` William Hubbs
2018-03-20 23:54     ` Benda Xu
2018-03-21  0:08       ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-21 23:56         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-03-22  0:33           ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-22  0:37             ` M. J. Everitt
2018-03-22  6:31         ` Benda Xu
2018-03-22  8:30           ` Alexander Berntsen
2018-03-22 11:38             ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-22 12:07               ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-27  1:19         ` kuzetsa
2018-03-27  1:26           ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2018-03-27  2:38             ` kuzetsa
2018-03-27  7:35               ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27  7:34         ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2018-03-27 12:55           ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 16:12             ` Martin Vaeth
2018-03-27 16:39               ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-28  2:21                 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-03-28  2:55                 ` R0b0t1
2018-03-28  4:41                   ` Stephen Christie
2018-03-28 13:48                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-03-28 11:03                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-28  6:11                 ` Dawid Weglinski
2018-03-28  6:33                 ` Martin Vaeth
2018-03-28 11:21                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-29  7:13                     ` Martin Vaeth
2018-06-11  1:55                     ` R0b0t1
2018-03-20 15:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pengcheng Xu
2018-03-21  2:22 ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2018-03-21 23:56 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-03-22  0:27   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-06-10 18:29 ` Tom Wijsman

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