From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCE9138CCF for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AF10E08A4; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FD9E089C for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ieczm2 with SMTP id zm2so108237908iec.2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cZWlVQO6EsWbyaksGK6hSTpzLBvp/yMUPRVd94m9UKk=; b=dmLE/okepsyqQHyurdKkQNLcJcSyzUAzK+PHvqd4s5Szwi4Wlx4LElbFBYdFkOVhV/ mHZra2bV5oxjgzCNBbZ6NSzyr/rXWjGYDd1nU4Ij4tcD3sv68/RzoasEF7pcYuSKHvvX nDJfjN1a364YToQKn0/L1iou27w1BIiUvNjBzd56mh+5KYlovBkPTWLyfOv7bDbH/vHu VSt6NygZJT4CmMcYSqsWU7OdN6GaMRne9wWpzqOIAIVBxplo5U3X3UuUYM4N+zty+F9o wvN65hUOJQ3yu0pQ97bHP6u3LXsepRuq0JMudRbPOWf7qE3BON0KfbeNzekVXpiKQhwq duIg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.143.97 with SMTP id sd1mr14299108igb.25.1431352780086; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.48.66 with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5550AE30.4060706@nerot.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:59:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -h4ZA9_JLVYKygxpzK-e8iRBBjw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 26693078-7412-4544-b926-73985dfef11d X-Archives-Hash: b071b5c28a1e2dbbaf86612ef5c25ce7 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergstr=C3=B6m wrote: > Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this > problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The > solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I > believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free). In general we try to stick to our social contract, and that means trying to avoid depending on proprietary technologies such as gmail. Now, I could see just using a FOSS-based IMAP/SMTP/POP provider, perhaps which allows things like forwarding and such, which allows us to have a copy of all our configuration and such in case we want to migrate. I'm not super-familiar with the wordpress.com model but something like that also seems reasonable - we leverage donations of hosting services but we aren't bound to anything proprietary and have the ability to migrate off. I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for that is). There is nothing magical about cloud-based services any more than there is anything magical about letting somebody else host your website. The key is to ensure that the technologies are open so that you aren't bound to a single provider. --=20 Rich