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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergstr=C3=B6m <cbergstrom@pathscale.com=
> wrote:
> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
> solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
> believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free).

In general we try to stick to our social contract, and that means
trying to avoid depending on proprietary technologies such as gmail.

Now, I could see just using a FOSS-based IMAP/SMTP/POP provider,
perhaps which allows things like forwarding and such, which allows us
to have a copy of all our configuration and such in case we want to
migrate.  I'm not super-familiar with the wordpress.com model but
something like that also seems reasonable - we leverage donations of
hosting services but we aren't bound to anything proprietary and have
the ability to migrate off.

I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
that is). There is nothing magical about cloud-based services any more
than there is anything magical about letting somebody else host your
website.  The key is to ensure that the technologies are open so that
you aren't bound to a single provider.

--=20
Rich