From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2CC1384B4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7427921C015; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com (mail-io0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 614EEE0884 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioll68 with SMTP id l68so16057610iol.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 04:00:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZvbEf1r/8j96cfZQAAsgh8jZa6LP6Rbq3IpXVm1IiMo=; b=GLSu/p1LPIP9Ikr6wuAcV2LUV5oa4C+TNed50hfevw+pBsWMIkHOj9R2SJiMDdxuTP 3u+WOirwvbOVDzrGFiszCT5kzR4ktj9NUy+UIIztaJ6yBffIzCBmw34v/9El2FYF+9pH 3PKPzTou4iYziWoSRi2vVMl8h5wjWvo1zGJRCPF+Qtj1OSdDAFkbXRY8w1uvHYDbWysh lLOJdVboQwZwxDnCFrp8LwUkmY4hD5V898AhOxO5r6S9tHFImdktEIyr8qsFCLyqoGDN iH1wbe56x4KG8+wGQ6d9Qtrs0kPEXW2DFLf+3yqCJrR2WPqcW5j5HQaAyiDNxVWYDAdT OTNg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.18.163 with SMTP id 35mr27745472ios.93.1446552007622; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 04:00:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.118.215 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 04:00:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <563860A8.1010201@gentoo.org> References: <5636029F.1020304@gentoo.org> <5636FDC6.80500@gmail.com> <5637C0D2.6070708@gmail.com> <20151102200921.72bea3bc@googlemail.com> <5637DB96.9020903@gmail.com> <5637DD6C.8000803@gentoo.org> <56380BED.3000209@gmail.com> <563860A8.1010201@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:00:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 27zyI2CEUzNrjhNV4-nFE7DUyQk Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 422739ad-e6bf-47b6-b01e-e1f86dcb3b4f X-Archives-Hash: b05218eed3fdfcbedaef1db2f291e764 On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Apparently my complaining finally re-triggered some action, so sadly > this looks like the currently best strategy. You could have simply made a simple post pointing out that changelog generation appears to be broken and likely had the same effect. The thing with complaining to trigger action is that it can be like taking one step forward and two steps back. It might appear to have the desired effect, and then nobody wants to work in that part of the community, or in the community at all, so in the long run we're all worse off. It doesn't inspire people to contribute. The areas where contributions are lost may not even appear to be directly related to the areas where the complaints are made, so it is hard to demonstrate a clear relationship, and thus people still feel vindicated in their complaining or reluctant to do anything about it. Can I prove that the above is true? No. Does it concern me? Absolutely. I think the fact that so many are torn between getting rid of key contributors who tend to create a lot of drama and continuing to tolerate them just makes people not want to try to fix it as well. -- Rich