From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:34:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_kN-ZwkNSkephzS4WkfkMSea-SbEvMsSySo8DEGiUnXpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAATnKFB=LOnGYn2OPJCxE8WCh9xideek9jPXynzhAWoSSJN=YA@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Kent Fredric <kentfredric@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 28 July 2014 08:56, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> > To me it seems like a simple data model bug that vdb does not get
>> > updated to reflect the new situation after step 2 above.
>>
>> Rewriting VDB won't help if the user doesn't sync at the right time.
>
> Indeed. pkgmove has this problem solved with a mass of quarterly move files,
> but I'm not sure I'd want to have
Does it matter? If a user never syncs again, they'll have a broken
package (though portage won't realize it). If they wait until the
package is removed from the tree before syncing then they'll still
have a broken package. If the broken package happens to work for
them, then the user won't care, and if it doesn't work for them,
they'll sync in the updates one way or another (using an overlay if
necessary).
As far as I can tell, the only thing that is needed for this to work
is for portage to be able to detect when an installed package
dependency changes in the repository, and this could be facilitated by
metadata. Maintainers would then revbump when a change can't be
correctly handled, and they won't revbump when it can be.
Do we have to guarantee that users who don't sync before a PV is
removed get all updates to that PV if they have it installed when they
eventually do sync? If I have some package installed that was
treecleaned a year ago and it depends on udev then obviously it won't
know anything about the new virtual - we live with that already
without too many problems. Bottom line is that bad things happen if
you hang onto packages that aren't maintained in some repository
(possibly your overlay maintained by yourself).
Rich
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2014-07-21 19:37 [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps hasufell
2014-07-21 19:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 19:50 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:13 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-21 20:12 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:17 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:28 ` hasufell
2014-07-21 20:41 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 22:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-08-27 16:18 ` Jan Matejka
2014-07-21 20:49 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:01 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:13 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 22:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 21:11 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 13:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 21:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 8:36 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 12:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:33 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-21 19:55 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 21:15 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:25 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:30 ` Maxim Kammerer
2014-07-26 12:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:54 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:00 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:57 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 7:39 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 7:52 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 9:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 18:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-23 4:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:51 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 19:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:06 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 20:40 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:51 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-23 13:15 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-26 11:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-23 1:15 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 8:38 ` Duncan
2014-07-26 11:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 22:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 0:01 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-24 22:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 14:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 14:59 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:15 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:23 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:26 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:44 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 7:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 12:41 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:49 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 15:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 11:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 11:50 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:01 ` [gentoo-dev] Behaving productively on the list Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:04 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:07 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:26 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:06 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 12:31 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:11 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 11:54 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 11:57 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 13:47 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-28 6:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 4:45 ` Alexander Tsoy
2014-07-30 5:36 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 7:22 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-30 7:38 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-30 11:18 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-30 11:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-30 12:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-08-12 21:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:56 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-01 21:38 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 5:19 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-02 9:30 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:08 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-23 13:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 1:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 15:01 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:53 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-25 18:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 13:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 13:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:32 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:53 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 14:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:40 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:51 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 14:30 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 14:43 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 15:38 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 19:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-24 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-25 8:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-25 17:15 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-25 17:36 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 17:39 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-26 17:47 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 18:21 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 13:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:01 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-21 20:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:13 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 21:22 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 22:52 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 0:36 ` hasufell
2014-07-22 9:42 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 19:42 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 1:05 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-07-22 5:10 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 4:36 ` Patrick Lauer
2014-07-26 13:55 ` [gentoo-dev] binpkg (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 19:18 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 22:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 1:34 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-22 23:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 2:05 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-26 14:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:29 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:18 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 7:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-21 21:52 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 7:25 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-22 18:44 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 23:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 14:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 22:43 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 7:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-27 12:19 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 13:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds hasufell
2014-07-28 5:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 15:15 ` Brian Dolbec
2014-08-01 9:35 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-01 20:49 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 13:19 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-03 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:43 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 12:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:46 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:57 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 18:27 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 18:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-22 19:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 1:21 ` hasufell
2014-07-23 13:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 23:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 8:21 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-22 8:32 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2014-07-22 9:25 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 17:03 ` Sven Vermeulen
2014-07-22 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 17:32 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 8:33 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 12:14 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-25 21:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 17:12 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-26 19:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 19:30 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-08-12 21:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 14:25 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-12 22:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 11:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " hasufell
2014-07-26 14:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:33 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:40 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 7:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:32 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:27 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:29 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 16:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:35 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:59 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:36 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:05 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 18:36 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 18:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 16:27 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 14:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 14:56 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 15:09 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:02 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:16 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 6:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-28 8:26 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 9:28 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 13:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 13:29 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 18:50 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 18:57 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-29 7:33 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-29 9:12 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-29 10:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-29 10:47 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 15:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 16:05 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 4:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 20:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-27 20:51 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 20:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:27 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:34 ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2014-07-27 21:50 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:54 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:14 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:08 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:17 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:39 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2014-07-28 16:29 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 16:44 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 14:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 21:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 5:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-25 22:09 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 5:21 ` Duncan
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