From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC431381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 13:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE62DE0976; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 13:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2EF1E08D3 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id db11so6925553veb.15 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=VP2FY5BhH20FRJX00jCzeWf7Ky4cO4fGDAluXTJvjp8=; b=e0X+EC0dwjwXwjweLYc3NWGC01YTjVfRBIegpQr2VrfKITtWcFiekDIg/IWv+Fu7EN hIR2G8RqTFBauIb4lgeCFjDE63FY3WrEYrfbwIqhRZaBhY6+qQpYr6a8vpvyX7NuAYIv ku2RJATsIz5Aq3rWVU9JXWsanZhnFZmEFKZOEJNq7XnAc14xMJ+Nw9Oz+90YC0Uoy7ZW /dEQ7gsWrsHkQ5vSH9/0TLiSZuikSGvD8vI9ruL2Z1xgBZULoQoXbAxQnzol/TRHpS9M knVEJRauoW83IPcCLvOQr1BgUBHzOqQYUzvUEKaqv+BcgBYV8l8R4Ib40NSg8q+pUCG7 +9Qg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.98.143 with SMTP id q15mr7292686vcn.38.1401803625133; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.30.227 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538DD1AA.8070804@gentoo.org> References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140531024701.GB3828@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <5389BA4C.8040106@gentoo.org> <2990845.EWIttsqmb4@andromeda> <538DB0C5.6070206@gentoo.org> <20140603140850.7b69dff6@gentoo.org> <538DBE76.8060300@gentoo.org> <20140603152000.256c8e2a@gentoo.org> <538DCD8F.2050908@gentoo.org> <20140603154000.6c8e0372@gentoo.org> <538DD1AA.8070804@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AorysMOtb4y6lASHJl6jo0mDxdA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 1d0a402a-dd8c-4458-8632-d7388ddc8901 X-Archives-Hash: fb15bcf81192c2b66ccd880e586a956b On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's > an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support, > to ensure desktops don't end up with greyed out Hibernate/Suspend > buttons So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage helpfully solves that problem by turning all the non-systemd users into systemd users, instead of switching them to the alternative that works without systemd. Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this. It just isn't obvious to users who haven't read GMN that there is a simple fix. Even users who do read GMN might get confused by the version number issue, as the change impacts stable users who aren't using the version of upower mentioned in GMN. Plus, GMN isn't in-your-face like portage news. Rich