From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E8B1381F3 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1641CE08C8; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 192A2E0856 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id gf12so904500vcb.1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RwafwV+F1PnpjEUUFstOqtOpudjpKwSybSKvtipl0AM=; b=cfM1NqVsCmWjArWgeSDyOj7IOlIha4pR7/qp52L9qRgVbVouGvW1Qouo2xhC8H0HGn SyFAQ1FgKcWORGqLN7UJBSfIozuy2/JPMPcGr0pdcM+CEfLXXkCUP3rDTtEkQlD8EXjp lvAgosPgA5qN0/YujL97PyMlnOCLNEsQTOEZx+Bx63xm+qPty3DBAG7ink94G2PBCue8 5Ibieq/NoJRYVCpvIEQ8DjKzT810xIE2wro1HW12c8gKM+8W+N1XGm2XlAGzSXO2vmur ZwNkxxtrvefm6kE1TXCbTsvj0UHnzUF8HAU3clgn5treAuyiwIfRVvtBuFoNSTJKaEuK tLaQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.221.134 with SMTP id qe6mr22574326vec.2.1368553861102; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.183.74 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130514154455.GA10062@linux1> References: <518F7DE2.70703@gentoo.org> <20879.38369.270576.25249@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <518FAF6B.80501@gentoo.org> <20879.47550.568189.770408@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <518FBB3D.1030002@gentoo.org> <20130514154455.GA10062@linux1> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:51:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 74nGOJGvihtzU1HtitPm269MW6Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual moved to github From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev , Ulrich Mueller , devmanual@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 8417ed19-49df-467b-b78a-b0741324a3e2 X-Archives-Hash: bbd864d395cf8a046ee3743c3f543ed5 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > If we are going to take this stance, should we consider removing all > packages from the tree that have their upstream on github? > Considering that we allow even outright proprietary software in portage which isn't distributed at all (copy file from CD to distfiles), we're obviously not going to be concerned about upstreams on github. Gentoo's social contract is GENTOO'S social contract. It governs what we do, and it doesn't say that we don't accept proprietary software. It says that we won't DEPEND on proprietary software for our operations or for anything essential to using Gentoo. As I already said - I think Github is a gray area. I'd like to see us working on an internal workflow tool that is friendly to outsiders like Gerrit or whatever. I'd see Github as a useful alternative, or as an interim solution, but I'd really hate to establish it as the long-term repository for something that is part of Gentoo without actively pursuing plans to move it to an FOSS platform. That's just my personal opinion though - others really don't want to touch it at all, and I can't fault them too much since it is contrary to our social contract. I'm a pragmatist, but I am charged with helping to uphold the social contract as a Trustee, and right now there is no official FOSS long-term solution. On the list of threats to the org though, I think that getting our main repository onto git in the first place is a higher priority than adopting tools like Gerrit/Github/etc. Right now most of what is left on that project rests on infra, so I don't want to beat up on them over not wanting to take on Java/etc. Rich