From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92274138334 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17BA6E09DD; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl1-f194.google.com (mail-pl1-f194.google.com [209.85.214.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2A94E099E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f194.google.com with SMTP id u6-v6so3170089plz.4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TiDn9wbCXl+XZTx6h39R3bd9wmHwADGk2ur4snePx8Y=; b=AyRBJ+p7g+/FhF50cB5wDdbUOS/Puh+rbaE8iK9wXgeCucvFmsNNS0ekcp568LnZD+ 9xFKqIBCSiC5TtSQQ6UXDNehr+DE5VRCruHs1iWFBZ6ojvtRNHv6h7O6qn5RajMoLEdR jh7/yuwhYl1IH8Rgel6jfG6NtOkUUw1Z9HuQzWV0VwfmuzjmQKDnHb1csaZSIByH1+1X c2lFX4QYevbHqEMuooiGi0eh1emN0hdIf5n6joCjaqlFq++gqEkw/91TNRF0a6xa96a5 knfOxHRpwh/3dWRjtv9vOPNZ5+Js6BhmBMCt8o7TI/XlPS4AHBvuJvjTzsxf7Q3NIxt8 ibkA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojMW+IegRvrXgdnNtYwOlvLIosykjZfrjUTCfp3iaY4BHUJ6ub6 cySQGnQ+jv8eHfrNEbTprIP/+mdJAZdguM2+77SfeA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV618RZN90dHutc1JAlpJxgjvgXJrqBFapmX4QUVdJwvrYWvqEhCGzPlzDULLgNd+AHZGyNk922nORD3AOfDcp1Q= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:ceb:: with SMTP id 98-v6mr5943997plt.331.1539348666262; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <673fa7bc-c3f6-9c76-5675-783754ce3e9a@gentoo.org> <95271f29-6c3c-1b9c-f12b-96c467b8bdec@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <95271f29-6c3c-1b9c-f12b-96c467b8bdec@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] net-dns/dnssec-root: Blind stable on arm, critical bug 667774 To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: e6922fc1-5313-4ec5-ad0a-b8adaa2d2f02 X-Archives-Hash: d60f210593837b711cd577aac02f772b On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 1:14 PM Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > But that's not the point here. The point was to get some attention that > again we have a lacking architecture (net-dns/dnssec-root is not the > only package where ARM arch team is lacking behind) which affects anyone > "trusting" somehow in STABLE keywords. ARM is not a Gentoo security supported arch. If the ARM maintainers feel that stable keywords make the lives of their users better, and it isn't causing problems for anybody else, I'm not sure why we should be interfering with this. > > If everyone is using ~ARCH and don't care about STABLE keywords, well, > we could save a bunch of time, energy... > Is this costing YOU any time/energy? If not, why do you care? This thread seems to be devolving into another debate about the purpose of stable, and I'm mainly seeing arguments that have come up countless times already. Most of these arguments tend to point out things that are perceived as being wrong with stable as it currently exists. Most of these arguments are probably posted by people who don't even run stable, let alone maintain it. If somebody wants to actually "fix" stable IMO the best way to go about that is to create a proposal for something new that people will get behind. Gentoo tends to move forward by creating new things, not by arguing about what is broken with old things. What solution is even being proposed? Tell devs they're not allowed to work on stable? That doesn't mean that their next thoughts will be "wow, since I'm not allowed to spend 10 hours per week working on something I cared about, I guess I'll spend those 10 hours per week working on something that somebody else cares about." If it makes Gentoo less useful to them personally, they're just as likely to just drop other contributions they make on the side as they look for better solutions. IMO when stable teams create issues for maintainers by not being responsive to bugs then this needs to be dealt with. However, the Council has already allowed maintainers to drop stable keywords when this happens, and I imagine they'd be responsive to dealing with issues that are more sustained. -- Rich