From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A073C139694 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 773D11FC05A; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x230.google.com (mail-yw0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4FD51FC056 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u207so5487494ywc.3 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 04:26:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=UhTBopVcSEaMV0diuwD6S5/fkQT+4Dze8/2gCfSlrrU=; b=E9QNrj6sleFtWoAax0yta+exH6evXkZd9ju0AcUig0t/LDZRpM7o2gdvBjMHftYq6k 3rO+CdwpiJMyLwTrilyM6gCZOn5W5gj4/i0L8PEQ31ZtkYRIbAHKgwDelIPPyyFlVarz FH8kP1tRfFKDDFrIv/dkGtB7BTHXT5Sx0kEc4pBUuMmWQ6t0Cj0goeCqMdIIeiQ0AfiR O7p0hI9gB/OCtr2zXuWhBk6FeQBrWivt47aCEqKd1B51+AQDh1oy85Jnoq/1IaaBwgfe IRACH8Kfx8tYtXMYlSOL7y+QoKmuySfXajk0k4YQeuCurUDTOrB5gul2JdUYBMAu4WMr 1Iqw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UhTBopVcSEaMV0diuwD6S5/fkQT+4Dze8/2gCfSlrrU=; b=J3OglOrEC2alrS+KQmQKYnv8wc0a8XgD8pqkv0ALJGu+U4rRuuwtSmcVIDK7dQnyuy kCl9bypghOtKEClPu/w/ZqwU8LYYPYKmXt9h1MRlb2knG2IneCGrxZDzxMyHrRpQ3EHH yRkLaEFRLo1oa95Doil1d7JGYIvFEjE26YieUzOXpfdx5T7E57nSGBh9AJxTweGG5IRq zpbkbUKcGW0Ejrd5tNYoxFO6IUhEvcZY18Zye7OxQBGd32uTMdov1N7yD/X/SxdogLdZ Zas59htV9o9gm4I72U3WL3uh/gbP6w+kgEIFd/anYOyEteDwXLhNHl2LfK1/8dCq9X1k hgPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110P9L0S+BKl/uoGAJ2E4U1H/OIu7oI9mjInDc2E8DN/2NFLka6N Drk0V0T5ESOHRpv55AD0dqloRpxN7wid X-Received: by 10.37.45.25 with SMTP id t25mr8377116ybt.320.1500981971270; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 04:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.71.3 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1500963512.25461.5.camel@gentoo.org> References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> <20170724232244.GT12397@stuge.se> <1500963512.25461.5.camel@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:26:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QOPaStRsRwnNfzHu0fIr3nmfxGo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 5badd958-0d37-430a-a33b-a1863aec4d83 X-Archives-Hash: d41f9cbcbee9e5d3aebcdf2ceadf42fd On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-07-24 at 23:22 +0000, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > More troubleshooting and fixing "hard" problems, less routine work. > > Except that some of that routine work is actually what I enjoy doing in > Gentoo. I already get plenty of the other two in my day job. > This goes to a principle of volunteer work - you can't really direct the work of volunteers (at least not with anything close to 100% efficiency). If you tell a volunteer they aren't allowed to work on x, that doesn't mean that the time they used to spend on x is now available to the organization to work on higher priority projects. It just means that they won't work on x any longer. If a volunteer wanted to be working on something they considered higher priority, they would probably already be doing it, or they would be the ones looking for somebody to take over the lower priority jobs. Paid work is an entirely different matter, because the project most employees are really working on is the "collect a paycheck" project and what they do to collect it tends to be secondary. That obviously isn't 100% the case and if you're trying to retain the next Elon Musk the rules are different, but it holds for most normal work. So, don't assume you can fix manpower problems by delivering less. You might be able to fix them by relaxing rules so that you can deliver the same with less effort, but keep in mind whether those rules added some kind of value to the final product. -- Rich