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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:41:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_k-8MmEivL8_MUwGGM9t+Zdd8iPczc=dBNFF1QBbcGdqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2b8c68b1649213cf237f40e41f9a460a5667c34.camel@gentoo.org>

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 9:45 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to
> look into formally addressing the related concerns.

> 1. Copyright concerns.

I do think it makes sense to consider some of this.

However, I feel like the proposal is redundant with the existing
requirement to signoff on the DCO, which says:

>>> By making a contribution to this project, I certify that:

>>> 1. The contribution was created in whole or in part by me, and
>>> I have the right to submit it under the free software license
>>> indicated in the file; or

>>> 2. The contribution is based upon previous work that, to the best of
>>> my knowledge, is covered under an appropriate free software license,
>>> and I have the right under that license to submit that work with
>>> modifications, whether created in whole or in part by me, under the
>>> same free software license (unless I am permitted to submit under a
>>> different license), as indicated in the file; or

>>> 3. The contribution is a license text (or a file of similar nature),
>>> and verbatim distribution is allowed; or

>>> 4. The contribution was provided directly to me by some other person
>>> who certified 1., 2., 3., or 4., and I have not modified it.

Perhaps we ought to just re-advertise the policy that already exists?

> 2. Quality concerns.

As far as quality is concerned, I again share the concerns you raise,
and I think we should just re-emphasize what many other industries are
already making clear - that individuals are responsible for the
quality of their contributions.  Copy/pasting it blindly from an AI is
no different from copy/pasting it from some other random website, even
if it is otherwise legal.

> 3. Ethical concerns.

I think it is best to just avoid taking a stand on this.  Our ethics
are already documented in the Social Contract.

I think everybody agrees that what is right and wrong is obvious and
clear and universal.  Then we're all shocked to find that large
numbers of people have a universal perspective different from our own.
Even if 90% of contributors agree with a particular position, if we
start lopping off parts of our community 10% at a time we'll probably
find ourselves alone in a room sooner or later.  We can't make every
hill the one to die on.

> I think adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages
> would be a good thing

Somehow I doubt this is going to help us steal market share from the
numerous other popular source-based Linux distros.  :)

To be clear, I don't think it is a bad idea to just reiterate that we
aren't looking for help from people who want to create scripts that
pipe things into some GPT API and pipe the output into a forum, bug,
issue, PR, or commit.  I've seen other FOSS projects struggling with
people trying to be "helpful" in this way.  I just don't think any of
this actually requires new policy.  If we find our policy to be
inadequate I think it is better to go back to the core principles and
better articulate what we're trying to achieve, rather than adjust it
to fit the latest fashions.

-- 
Rich


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-27 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-27 14:45 [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Michał Górny
2024-02-27 15:10 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-02-27 15:21 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 15:31   ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2024-02-27 16:11 ` Marek Szuba
2024-02-27 16:29   ` Sam James
2024-02-27 16:48 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2024-02-27 17:02 ` Ionen Wolkens
2024-02-27 17:41 ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2024-02-27 18:07   ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-27 18:27     ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 17:46 ` Matthias Maier
2024-02-27 17:50 ` Roy Bamford
2024-02-27 18:40   ` Peter Böhm
2024-02-27 18:04 ` Sam James
2024-03-09 14:57   ` Michał Górny
2024-02-27 19:17 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-02-28  3:05 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2024-02-28  3:12   ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:08     ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-28 11:06       ` Matt Jolly
2024-02-28 20:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-01  7:06         ` Sam James
2024-03-09 15:00           ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 13:09       ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:34 ` David Seifert
2024-02-28 18:50 ` Arthur Zamarin
2024-02-28 19:26   ` Rich Freeman
2024-03-01  6:33 ` Zoltan Puskas
2024-03-05  6:12 ` Robin H. Johnson
2024-03-06  6:53   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2024-03-08  3:59   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-03-09 15:04     ` Michał Górny
2024-03-09 21:13       ` Duncan
2024-03-10  1:53         ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-06 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " martin-kokos
2024-03-08  7:09 ` Fco. Javier Felix Belmonte
2024-03-21 15:25 ` Michał Górny
2024-04-15 19:50   ` Jérôme Carretero

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