From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89BB1381F3 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 19:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4966E0BEF; Sat, 25 May 2013 19:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBB22E0BD2 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 19:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id gf11so3950718vcb.15 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=577YinwbsnQtG7hF3ArOoBM/S5HmvR5BL4EuXhR3EmQ=; b=Wbl2oemMhCfI04C7odhPMiqFCuJzsk57Pj8rbSIBEPq54Exs8reE0MOHbXX5FYYDF5 G0I53AmZlDuPO1U+D0xEb6Tq9kspjh+VRBhNdcoh+DRj72foFSv9qdkeEib0JJTiY5iJ R9zpyHQOYrda4voJvjzktwKFCe6kjgMlC5TBtXs/meAv3p0XbVAGy8By2jqMpP7mgzx9 IMXPe/YFaNukI8fzFS0AeR+KNdQsGVJMIHIIJEs+QIPsgSLTqKxoZr/89Ajh6YogjzWt JsAf64zusFrQjgChUwooC9DeybB93vNZysKHo3w0bat0xYTDncV+SAKYbMN1ncZnqdxl 0Sdg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.248.99 with SMTP id yl3mr11643149vec.55.1369511963923; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.233 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51A116B1.8010902@gentoo.org> References: <51A0FF5E.5070304@gentoo.org> <51A116B1.8010902@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 15:59:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Opt-JID9kdqiD188y_etsiagPwc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 2bd5b369-9b61-46bb-ae7d-4f625e086ac7 X-Archives-Hash: 4688bda7ee3bae438785c8bbbeafb5b9 On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > We are moving too quickly on bug #448882 ([Tracker] packages not providing > systemd units). We should come to better consensus on systemd integration > and we were getting there with the idea of INSTALL_MASK. I don't know that > it is a working solution yet. I have to oppose adding unit files unless we > have a way to opt out for reasons I gave earlier, regarding embedded systems > where one needs to conserve space aggressively. And we may have found a way > to do so without cluttering ebuilds with USE flags. > > Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting out? I > can't support this initiative without such a solution and I would be happy > to work with the systemd people to reach it, ie I'll test. This already went before the Council, and the decision was that INSTALL_MASK IS the working solution for opting out. If somebody wants to come up with a better one and propose it they're of course welcome to, but in the meantime, INSTALL_MASK is the official solution. The whole point of having a Council is so that you don't have to reach 100.000000000% consensus on every single decision. Rich