From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DE91381F3 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54A7E21C098; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90DE1E062C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so1629615bkw.40 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bf5I3pRUrBNfY1vCelr0xx+XZo9EWWlIGjvEvBppIkQ=; b=eRhlsVO3IGy4IwTNQGCh75Zydel29p0ZUlxHAf18SCB7OhyaxS8I+0JeOR1PTHotAp yNhjpRNXCcckSzb/qkRTOL3/xfoeJ+bXah3+mz+iVMJhtNat4C+oWCZjY4KWwNjX6/0Z iQ4qtMgn6KThq2yIrbInF5vg8yMAfu8L13RH7WLI/jDi/FnLJ2eAnswKapXzbL/M8oLB q2bq2+NsiGhAPNeOSF+5OuClNpDEcK74raBNpREUs5pVpKO9uL/S2sERD882yT3ErMKl ocgCuLopkUDbvRYMm+JSNGeQXhpX1bQRVSbTDTaRg95zqMKqFoB2O28745Mk7wrr1LLZ 7AyA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.11 with SMTP id u11mr3929069bkw.106.1353241578057; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:26:18 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.12.28 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:26:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A8C257.7060103@mva.name> References: <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <4bdd949a377d40eb85590870be440551@HUBCAS1.cs.stonybrook.edu> <50A8943E.7070607@gentoo.org> <20121118080845.GA8628@kroah.com> <50A89A73.3050709@flameeyes.eu> <50A8C257.7060103@mva.name> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:26:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9kWM8pQQlTYgRbYrrUeG4TJBNIw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 2d1f2040-414a-47a7-81eb-917dda3a7435 X-Archives-Hash: 2add548eee7582d77349f9d6d5543cef On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: > So, I really hope, that Gentoo will not obey RedHat's will and will not > force SystemD as default init system, and not drop pretty OpenRC to > trash. And I hope, that ryao's eudev will be most used (if not default) > variant of udev, since I'm sad with last vanilla udev functionality > "downgrades". I'm sure all of the options will be offered as options for as long as people care to take care of them. With the number of anti-systemd posts on -dev I don't see openrc going away anytime soon. I'm sure the default will stay as it is unless a substantial majority want it otherwise - we can't go flipping that every time the latest whatever comes along. And frankly, I could care less what it is since I can change it. If I wanted to be rigidly bound by defaults there are a lot of distros easier to maintain than Gentoo. iOS comes to mind. :) I run OpenRC on my main box, and systemd on a VM hosted within it. I wouldn't be surprised if I move to systemd some day as my experience with it has been a good one, but I'll use the tools I think are best for the problem at hand, and not what somebody else chooses for me, and I'll be the last to force a choice on anybody else. That said, Gentoo can only offer the options that devs step up and maintain, so if you care greatly about something start writing patches. That is my biggest concern over a lot of this mess - and Greg KH did a good job putting it into words in the six-month old thread that was just resurrected. Lennart et al only have the power you give to them - anybody can fork at any time or keep an old project going. If you don't like Gnome 3 then start writing code for Gnome 2. This is all FREE software, and it only exists when people take the time to write it. If nobody bothers to maintain the alternatives, then I guess collectively we're going to be stuck with whatever people take the time to write. So, feel free to offer advice/comments/etc. However, let's keep the tone civil. Unless you're their employer, the guys writing the software you don't like owe you precisely nothing. Rich