From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EAE138247 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25657E0AFC; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FC39E0AB1 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hv10so606761vcb.1 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=4kQ7CTGUKLHBO9vcwpQo4+IKj08Tm8EZvb62Mqbo56U=; b=bQhYuxaaixVspJJ+7SlU0Flsuy1RCPF5ZZR8Y8it47fVK5nH+eijnjr7V5gGJDKVGj 08jbVCwCXBOWpSctGiX+jDKnn9CzqLDvouA3CRvjSz2gRcleAjWvVmyFgvawJJdh0nm9 kT0H2weitASLqRlRzfx22YKkpdDRTU+ZOAMtoZju5UVZIPVLvs7anItFAFHbO89yYAsU oPAX/+5OLArhUc3b/K35hwfBsQ5lBAhkhHhIRRx0PVSwnnoqV6GSTldj4vbb23dufizn xB/711/cQ2eUkJjCS8VZZpWp9H38DXVCFtJkD+j8+ow8Dj2qbfzRmz7fHv/CEoHyjsfc 1+Ag== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.144.168 with SMTP id sn8mr2170027veb.33.1384368607222; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:50:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.108.199 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:50:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131113182432.2523.qmail@stuge.se> References: <5283948F.1000409@gentoo.org> <20131113151012.04145837@gentoo.org> <20131113164424.524665a1@gentoo.org> <20131113170355.27323.qmail@stuge.se> <20131113182432.2523.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:50:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9KQD5Pdmm2rEqLEanH2VpG-jZ6c Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: f99a1f76-839b-415e-b111-136bdcfaea40 X-Archives-Hash: 66522ba57f45d943b1dcd040f9edb649 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Users who take advantage of new features in these kinds of states >> >> are going to run into problems. That's just the cost of being on >> >> the cutting edge. >> > >> > Why should a feature be allowed to cause problems? To me that just >> > means that the feature isn't finished yet, so why publish it? >> >> Where were any of the multilib features published? > > Published as in made available to users. Were you refering to > Martin's use of emul-libs or something hypothetical? Sorry - I > might have lost track of the thread. Experimental features are added to portage/eclasses/etc all the time. The intent is to get more use out of them, get feedback, enable some benefit, etc. That doesn't mean that somebody who runs RAP or hardened-to-the-max is going to have the same experience as somebody who runs amd64 stable. Gentoo lets you do stuff that few distros even make possible. That doesn't mean that it always makes all of those options "easy." They aren't "unsupported" - but the difference between "unsupported" and "supported" in a volunteer distro is a bit hazy. The more you step off the beaten path, the more you're a guinea pig. By all means report issues you find and help make Gentoo better, but don't be upset if a bunch of volunteers came up with something cutting-edge and it has a few bugs. I mean, we're talking about giving users the ability to build any package against any ABI and to mix/match as you please. Ten years ago we were happy to have a 32-bit flash package. No distro handles any of this stuff nearly as well as we do, even if we still have some rough edges. Rich