From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCA513800E for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93160E0660; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC373E0484 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so3029079bkw.40 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bx/s9mkrW2qGSdc2vzWjSxKsy8OUpMWc8gAImydrZfU=; b=Ma8+CbpXD1KUEgk0QnUJ+7XxyKwEjOBI9FWDFoaJJYmUZN5oXaMRdt3gc51KtkdObu 5hg7+iI0eBXrndnxT9tEyYCTBgTyFFGx036tMOHMDzjSubwSvY/MJmi/N2+vh9aQTNjP Jf5dzhGV+hTRufMND4kP46IeXbPHIEbQ3JGCymvSa1bQ/fpxtblVoK7w/yrx6i5jnkMN pKLrQD5dfXazxkXwJBmMc6AHIXdQCTPdyNCVUyuBtYne+W/wkDs/jDZa+R33eL0FTLo7 d1wX9sqBwuaLihrma6Q2hPxhukITS+uz0p6pLz8Q7UvRnlIY3yCnHw3wU99Vut3UKMo1 +B8Q== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.0.80 with SMTP id 16mr4072685bka.71.1343662169674; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.82.12 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20498.15988.225230.614853@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <501285DC.2020207@gentoo.org> <201207271324.48571.vapier@gentoo.org> <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> <5012F712.7030806@gentoo.org> <50169BB8.4030408@orlitzky.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:29:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GBQb6vExGhuvDxQE3tz9Be9PSmE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 7853bfc8-660c-4d8d-89c3-e7e6aa7aa922 X-Archives-Hash: 9da5580634059aa771720f26a9677c73 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > You'd really want to a "which do you prefer, which can you use" > survey, then; You don't really want to choose the result preferred by > the most people, rather you want the result which is usable by the > most people. I tend to agree. Donnie said something in his manifesto which I think applies here: any of the proposed solutions is probably better than doing nothing. If I forget to tweak my locale and I end up with a comma as a decimal mark it isn't the end of the world, and neither is some output in metric units. I've ended up working on many a global system where times get reported in GMT and people put up with the inconvenience because they realize that any standard is better than no standard. What is the real end-user impact of any of this stuff anyway? During the install the thing that matters is being able to partition disks and compile kernels and such. I doubt that too many users will be dependent on installer locale settings for displaying weather reports or such. If they don't set locale, then it is like not setting localtime - you just get to live with some default. I would imagine that at least by having a UTF-8 locale users would be able to do things like set full names of users using unicode, etc. Rich