[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/01/2014 10:06 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> 
> Dear all, 
> 
> in its last session the Gentoo council decided that 30 days from now the 
> entire profile tree will be updated to require EAPI=5 support. 
> 
> For all non-deprecated profiles this requirement has already been in place for 
> over one year. If you have updated your system at any point during the last 
> year, followed the instructions in the profile deprecation warnings (which 
> cannot really easily be overlooked), and are running an up-to-date portage 
> version, there is absolutely nothing that you need to do now. 
> 
> If you are running an installation that has not been updated for more than a 
> year, you have to update your portage version to current stable now, and 
> afterwards switch to a non-deprecated profile.

I am 100% behind this idea and the council's decision, HOWEVER, I feel
the most responsible way to transition would be to include a nice
compressed "just before switch" portage snapshot.  A news item could be
drafted, that is shown to all users of portage versions which do not
support eapi5 which directs them to the snapshot which they may need to
use to successfully upgrade their systems.

I see exactly zero downside to doing this, so if whoever is going to
actually do the editing of the profiles would like to work with me (to
give me warning), I think I can manage the rest.

Thanks,
Zero

> 
> The deprecated 10.0 profiles will be removed after the update.
> 
> Best, Andreas
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
<zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> I see exactly zero downside to doing this, so if whoever is going to
> actually do the editing of the profiles would like to work with me (to
> give me warning), I think I can manage the rest.

I see no harm in this - it is just a tarball on a website somewhere
and a news item.

I suggest you draft your news item so that it is bikeshed with time to
spare, then you can just substitute your intended URL inside at the
last minute, and then take the snapshot.  I don't think you need to
worry about getting it down to the commit - just grab a snapshot
reasonably close to the profile change.

Actually, I can't really think of a practical reason not to just do
the news/snapshot now.  Nobody will see the news until they do an
emerge --sync, and if they do an emerge --sync a year from now it
makes little difference that the snapshot is an extra two weeks out of
date or whatever.  Then there is nothing to coordinate.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/01/2014 01:42 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
> <zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> I see exactly zero downside to doing this, so if whoever is going to
>> actually do the editing of the profiles would like to work with me (to
>> give me warning), I think I can manage the rest.
> 
> I see no harm in this - it is just a tarball on a website somewhere
> and a news item.
> 
> I suggest you draft your news item so that it is bikeshed with time to
> spare, then you can just substitute your intended URL inside at the
> last minute, and then take the snapshot.  I don't think you need to
> worry about getting it down to the commit - just grab a snapshot
> reasonably close to the profile change.
> 
> Actually, I can't really think of a practical reason not to just do
> the news/snapshot now.  Nobody will see the news until they do an
> emerge --sync, and if they do an emerge --sync a year from now it
> makes little difference that the snapshot is an extra two weeks out of
> date or whatever.  Then there is nothing to coordinate.

The coordination was more to make sure I had completed my tasks before
the cutover ;-)  I'm more worried about how long it takes me to learn
how to news than the actual second the snapshot is taken.

- -Zero
> 
> Rich
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[Rich Freeman]

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
<zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I'm more worried about how long it takes me to learn
> how to news than the actual second the snapshot is taken.

Just read the GLEP and post some text to the list.  Bikeshedding will
occur.  If you need help committing it just ping just about anybody,
but half the battle is figuring out which git repo it goes into (not
well-documented, if at all).

Rich

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] All profile directories going EAPI=5

[Steven J. Long]

Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > in its last session the Gentoo council decided that 30 days from now the 
> > entire profile tree will be updated to require EAPI=5 support. 
..
> > If you are running an installation that has not been updated for more than a 
> > year, you have to update your portage version to current stable now, and 
> > afterwards switch to a non-deprecated profile.
> 
> I am 100% behind this idea and the council's decision, HOWEVER, I feel
> the most responsible way to transition would be to include a nice
> compressed "just before switch" portage snapshot.  A news item could be
> drafted, that is shown to all users of portage versions which do not
> support eapi5 which directs them to the snapshot which they may need to
> use to successfully upgrade their systems.
> 
> I see exactly zero downside to doing this, so if whoever is going to
> actually do the editing of the profiles would like to work with me (to
> give me warning), I think I can manage the rest.

Excellent idea, and I'd just like to say "thanks muchly" on behalf of
some of those future users (i see a few of them from time to time, using
update, and this will make it much easier to support them, so on my
own behalf too.)

Regards,
steveL
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