From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066E71381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD124E09D2; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF66AE099F for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id db11so8563188veb.36 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=BKcfy3wWVlpSiylZFlrToR9MBEZlDRPnMhtVNjtJyg8=; b=LiF7HJr5ZLIxXlKIICNKgr3tlbAETu7Rvv9xuCRZ4iWPmXwUmBjGAoJxx6maKuBNpj 0+b9faN6+f26iA4CJhr8Rdbj7ixzPnXpH//Hm9Hzhhvk3WbExBV0clJeH4BODyFL7Aqc XA4Q7sykQlD5WujSC55Ra8s1LMc7ff4OEXUbOinLIHmnAA8ewpNSMW1t5AfYtEarv1g/ ZZYSwtLWpNwm+hzrIGpVNtJfWzJw1zeLkLIeLV99LSaP1Fshfvp8D5+aR8V4FiLcELmL J8QA1vsBiWhMxBWlLib0LsiIajA6CWtkie4mQgBxg8z5aSsZvzzqJAzaAsWtmbknSnbc ZlYg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.93.201 with SMTP id cw9mr989160vdb.80.1401882083794; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.30.227 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538E2EEB.1080309@gmail.com> References: <538DED0F.8010709@gentoo.org> <1401812396.19408.4.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <20140603185813.18588.qmail@stuge.se> <538E26F6.2000801@gentoo.org> <538E2EEB.1080309@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:41:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kAxI2TGvdcAevXuY6K9nqz5mFOI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: d435d796-73f5-46d0-a254-26d1c42666fd X-Archives-Hash: 20ba85941883e2f04a9edd0f993fd2b6 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Yes, it *is* a simple matter of running one easy command. Portage does > that for you with trivial ease. But portage doesn't tell you *which* is > the one easy command. > > A news item does that. That is the real challenge here. It isn't obvious to most users that upower is causing the problem, and it is even less obvious to users without using Google that there is an alternative. Anybody who doesn't read the lists or GMN wouldn't probably wouldn't realize that the simple fix exists. Maybe if portage were smart enough to present the user with two options - replace udev with systemd or replace upower with upower-pm-utils then users would realize the latter change is the better one. I don't want to put out a news item for everything, but when the output of portage is subtle and the package is so widely used it is probably better to have one. Rich