From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7zB3-0007MN-Nk for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:08:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85140E0B6B; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78B0E0B47 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so2088822bkw.40 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vrDlTGXjllE4jVieg5NPCzNFqzweTVrqtuaUNVcxscI=; b=ccZqMU2xqbZ2xzaFrq2La7jpMicnqZCh8Fyn8guWJNGfC05HxViEFkC/M3k6hvNJTv bwzZF0NNrRidWnTY2+Pz+RdE+xltek13PVW/w6klv1pH3EVtuZA+GO3exxrpfa6KBzQz O17+saZTeu/maHFgcGMEBrRFApuT2v16Cqpbq3UzVEt7Q6das5fw1bjIXU3eRZ9vr0wj hMBcLGKg6cvM18oQIYqs+Jp6igzhKN0Zjook9/dRPZ3PlYDgVRJdUb08RkntGIqa2/EI F/cZRaC3sxopDG59Mnte+39MNQ9gFHwCj2tqxiVoEjILHntR8mFZuYVBX1R0O9YRxt9u 8wyg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.195 with SMTP id g3mr1700786bkt.73.1331773627728; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.32.194 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F612EF4.709@cs.stonybrook.edu> References: <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> <20120314210456.GB11179@kroah.com> <4F611E09.1040602@cs.stonybrook.edu> <20120314224916.GA12279@kroah.com> <4F61294B.9040101@cs.stonybrook.edu> <20120314233734.GA29474@kroah.com> <4F612EF4.709@cs.stonybrook.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:07:07 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: soFhimYO6_Kfm3FRlYzVSXKXpwA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 5b26de69-635e-422e-86d0-a41da84247e6 X-Archives-Hash: 3c88913fdfd2eb40ab74c84ed82189a7 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the > Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails: > Then go ahead and make it happen. If as you say no dev participation is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH wrote: > > We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :) > > If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the > work. > Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that people are willing to step up and maintain. A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that systemd isn't supported on Gentoo. Some devs stepped up and decided to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS. That didn't happen because of mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds. How do systemd units end up in various packages? The people interested in seeing them write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the maintainers to commit them. For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever. You don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make it happen. Write some good code. There are several devs here who might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in accordance with Gentoo QA. Create some USE flags where you need tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package maintainers will accept them. Gentoo already gives its users a lot of choice, but it can only offer the choices that people are willing to maintain. Right now I see a lot of complaining and not a lot of maintaining. When I see a package lastrited I don't moan about it - I either sigh or sign up to maintain it. By all means make suggestions to improve the transition or write docs, but simply posting on this list isn't likely to change the direction the linux winds are blowing. The forces involved are much larger than Gentoo. Rich