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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:07:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_=eZ_3P1TN=OA4wLBAVDxuvUdYV-Kwc46Dy_k2=QPtdXA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F612EF4.709@cs.stonybrook.edu>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@cs.stonybrook.edu> wrote:
>
> I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the
> Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails:
>

Then go ahead and make it happen.  If as you say no dev participation
is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :)
>
> If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the
> work.
>

Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that
people are willing to step up and maintain.

A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that
systemd isn't supported on Gentoo.  Some devs stepped up and decided
to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo
as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS.  That didn't happen because of
mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested
in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds.  How do systemd units
end up in various packages?  The people interested in seeing them
write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the
maintainers to commit them.

For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an
overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever.  You
don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make
it happen.  Write some good code.  There are several devs here who
might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to
packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in
accordance with Gentoo QA.  Create some USE flags where you need
tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves
nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package
maintainers will accept them.

Gentoo already gives its users a lot of choice, but it can only offer
the choices that people are willing to maintain.  Right now I see a
lot of complaining and not a lot of maintaining.  When I see a package
lastrited I don't moan about it - I either sigh or sign up to maintain
it.  By all means make suggestions to improve the transition or write
docs, but simply posting on this list isn't likely to change the
direction the linux winds are blowing.  The forces involved are much
larger than Gentoo.

Rich



  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-15  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-11  2:27 [gentoo-dev] newsitem: unmasking udev-181 William Hubbs
2012-03-11  2:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-03-11  3:28   ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11  3:50     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-11  5:12       ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 17:33     ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 17:35       ` Samuli Suominen
2012-03-11 18:00         ` Michał Górny
2012-03-13  1:22       ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  1:37         ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-13  2:16           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  2:33         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13  3:14           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  3:53             ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  5:17               ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14  0:20                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  0:52                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 13:36             ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 10:31         ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-13 11:54         ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14  0:16           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  8:39             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 12:40               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 14:41                 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 14:51                   ` Philip Webb
2012-03-14 15:04                     ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:08                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 15:22                         ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:59                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 21:00                             ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 16:28                           ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-15 13:22                             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 17:11                           ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 17:29                             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 17:58                               ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-14 18:04                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 18:36                                 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 18:56                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:14                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-14 19:26                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:57                                     ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 21:04                                       ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 22:14                                         ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 22:51                                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:21                                             ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 23:44                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:58                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  0:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2012-03-15  0:29                                                 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 11:20                                                   ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-15 12:23                                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:01                                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 23:47                                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:36                                                 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15  0:45                                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:49                                                     ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 12:27                                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 15:29                                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  0:58                                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  1:06                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  1:49                                                       ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 23:29                                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-16 23:29                                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:16                                             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:09                                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 22:39                                         ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 22:49                                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:27                                             ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 23:37                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:51                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  1:07                                                   ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2012-03-15  1:37                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15  1:44                                                     ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16  1:17                                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-16  1:18                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-15  5:18                                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15  8:13                                                 ` Martin Gysel
2012-03-15 12:40                                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:44                                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-17  7:12                                                     ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-19  5:21                                                       ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 12:34                                               ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:45                                                 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 21:49                                                   ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 20:03                                     ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 20:55                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 21:05                                         ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15  4:10                                           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:47                                         ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 13:36                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 19:30                                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-15  5:04                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 17:59                               ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15  5:24                                 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 12:51                                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 20:12                       ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 11:04                       ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:30                         ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 13:05                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:42                           ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:04                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 19:17                               ` [gentoo-dev] /dev/serial/ (was "Let's redesign the entire filesystem!") Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:41                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 14:41                         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Greg KH
2012-03-16  0:47                           ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-16  2:43                             ` Greg KH
2012-03-16  3:01                               ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 15:18                                 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 17:00                                   ` Michael Orlitzky
     [not found]                                 ` <7c08803524244ff0808d16539b8f9926@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-03-16 22:41                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-03-13 14:41         ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-13 23:12           ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 12:00           ` James Cloos
2012-03-14 17:52             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 18:48               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 20:10                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-15  6:33                   ` Duncan
2012-03-15 13:07                   ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13  5:11       ` [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181 Luca Barbato
2012-03-14  0:13         ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  8:03           ` Duncan
2012-03-14 12:07             ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 18:43               ` Duncan
2012-03-14 21:13               ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 13:10                 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 21:49                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11  3:44   ` Dale
2012-03-11  5:48   ` Duncan
2012-03-11 11:03   ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 15:33     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-11 21:28       ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 21:43         ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 21:48           ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 23:15             ` William Hubbs
2012-03-12 12:37               ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01                 ` Matthias Hanft
2012-03-12 19:32                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 14:34               ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 22:57   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  8:43   ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13  9:14     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14  0:29       ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14  0:36         ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-14  1:04         ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14  1:14         ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-14 13:02         ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 10:32     ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11  6:49 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 21:08   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 23:03     ` Duncan
2012-03-11 23:14       ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-12  9:02         ` Duncan
2012-03-12 14:09     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-12 19:41       ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13  2:06     ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-12 18:34   ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-03-13  2:04     ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11  8:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11  8:41   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11  9:36     ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 10:43       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 17:26 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 18:08   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-11 23:09   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-12 20:50   ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson

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