From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96771381F4 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD813E0952; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F152E08FC for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1802361bkw.40 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lVemxbRdov+Wh2OD7E4L2Mt2IPyVxrJyoa4+/C8BTYY=; b=YlKmEeXndRRok2nMIbZRqBQlAg0bJciwYvYwbm+l2Lp5AZekt8N2Lcdu6RgBVbS3Vs mDkNC1QHYaidwMG5j7r7bBFKGcHo5DUdpAf4f00Ii0ymVQgct4+n4JmkSIcOI9+qPSYe TY8RhacxOb1mepg9+YrJgZdhd/4fJSDjO/PzRUJF6RgMeIw00qsRaKRTKxGR6bmV/zbR kp7r7LZz3yi+XYGk0LzqnLHL7JqLVupq2UAx/1y4WEqOGqzSiPcWOS1M2E+OPgRpMK3H 5OBdBCjzmKV8b9xgcjxVSl87492gaGlMQGSYBDl0qoi9GVcCVVUNbDSL8EVTRNBZA4n6 vORw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.76 with SMTP id c12mr2692035bkv.70.1345251785476; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.14.76 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120815125832.39c72a82@pomiocik.lan> <20120815110757.GV10705@gentoo.org> <20120815114153.GX10705@gentoo.org> <20120815120131.GY10705@gentoo.org> <20120815140413.GA10705@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:03:05 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zXZ8DKmyNwFabDRDOZeJb1da0DU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] remove system set? From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: e130e58d-24d5-4f6b-a1ce-d1d1d0d50dc4 X-Archives-Hash: d82be5bad5469a42f312c70ee52d2490 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > Bootstrapping is an inherently curious problem. Most systems are built > upon the systems they themselves build, but getting to that > self-hosting state always requires some unclean solution. Yup, I never viewed getting rid of @system as a solution to the bootstrapping problem. You could even have an @stage3 set for convenience, or a meta-virtual to create one, using a fully functioning Gentoo system. I also wasn't suggesting we have empty stage3s or anything like that. By all means supply a default collection of packages, and feel free to include openssh in that collection. However, those default packages would be nothing more than a starting point and users could uninstall them at will. Perhaps portage would have some set it would offer a warning before uninstalling (either a hardcoded list like @system, or use logic like any dep of portage or gcc). Rich