From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD8D13800E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1307FE057F; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D873AE057F for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1897969bkw.40 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yt3tNC9dr8Qj4VrPSyJ2zRxjrUOuEAQOej+jOqQOpeI=; b=R+ZkncUiYDCloY2jvLQ8Lmrxu4m8az6FvAV0IUJsFP0feIgay35hyxDmR12ZD7XeHT zwwANKHwEqHwWBFdSN2WaX/0nsZChQFUbzLD4IF9InxZHty2SmcBquXCmqbCBPyc2DS3 Zkp9JPMaGOsj4kSpiwQ6X+GIPQ4DvvHYBL3wIOdD/5rUOQQerOeKWYH4Th/Rrk5AKGXa YhV+LRBnwlGAk9p/VFewULZvcIwWqUhJfMyfvd1Mwc94Ztd3/bawev9PWVCryDw+t++8 OU+978xFnXTtp+xkV43H341Cj4BKXt7kq6GeyzZZ2htzXYSrCinSrxhWWpCXYt9ToT0Q u5Zw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.215 with SMTP id p23mr5829644bkw.53.1344350612880; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.82.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:43:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120807141156.13030.qmail@stuge.se> References: <20120807141156.13030.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:43:32 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4NqAuoKOfrVne9CjAL849rcvO_4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 97cbf0da-fb45-42c5-91c1-5aa8c5435eee X-Archives-Hash: 7ff5b456bab960cbfd9a70fb0e56fece On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Yes, but if the upstream that is Gnome decides to start depending on > systemd features then that's their decision, and the place to discuss > if it's good or bad (more important, the place to change it!) would > be within the Gnome project. More or less, but again my goal was not to start another discussion - just to inform. Anybody inclined to comment on whether this is good or bad should go look at the list archives and see if any of the 400 messages in the last month already covered their points. > > I guess Gentoo will always continue to offer the best of upstream. I don't think Gentoo has to limit itself to what upstream supports (I don't think anybody would look at Prefix and say that this was what any upstream had in mind). However, the bottom line is that to do something exotic takes effort, so nothing will happen unless somebody makes it happen. > > OTOH, if upstream goes and make some change that means a regression > for Gentoo users, then they deserve bug report floods from their users! :) Perhaps, but don't count on it going anywhere. With Gnome 3 they must already have pretty thick skin. I suspect upstream would say that if you want a smooth desktop experience you shouldn't be running Gentoo. To some degree they probably even have a valid point. Gentoo is about more than a just-works desktop so I think the best we'll be able to offer is a "reasonable" experience. If things get really integrated you might see some Sabayon-like forks favoring particular DEs/etc, and as long as those forks contribute to our main tree I think that is good for all of us. Rich