From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30AAD13832E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 206E221C113; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f178.google.com (mail-qt0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A8F021C0B2 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x25so193918230qtx.2 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=F8QbThM1vHDL+SBllyl1SvFFUzXet3b3Np2lf7O8Vl4=; b=pFqdb9XcXHeNkYD/Y1oFZC/LrUZUbn3AjjAK0clE3Gsl5bR818Bd1OtSaivawFGvZX AvZaaMOrxMPqfUXKEkLUyxWZghcbuKVPEMJH6xfY7TNZ7NG2UtTg1BI0z1/Dx3TzG6W8 ZwYJaoKNoPWiL87m5q20waWAnWnepXz383BCx/rc6ebFE2TK6LPg+chAYyr56vEc/xx/ J94sRj5u4Cz9yk9hWW6CgEZgfY8RM0xf6HzlmJbaE/AqkVjivdDLjwRiRR/wbQlm/J4V 6H316z62bCHYAZX/UHpL+TtrWRj6Ozq9697gYMHFcat0dMH81K051qoOs+GHI2W42+xu Vg7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=F8QbThM1vHDL+SBllyl1SvFFUzXet3b3Np2lf7O8Vl4=; b=Fb00CCVNRg1E73n6JQuhrQ5/CxpHHrbr6Y9BGN+vQrmSaq8p1yjiiFy+I/0vE54l0S ik37l+M4X7xgX+aLdgJ9W2fMB/S7tBzfWwOZmLTicG1yq0N3vW7GtV/XbSpeaSmWu/gJ 95w+5YUFLKK7xb7hlJDSMJOAdea3CyXSJSttTy5l7WJiRvggEO39Y4Yo8qgH7B8J/Ibr AEF1mgv9czJJ61VE8ijNp9xILqaHGD3SeBZ0ug9VXk63Wy25DJBtNoJ8pFojH7PpwzPh TmDlZgoX7EX5F3nXDZ6Ec9V13RENVgBlli72nOE4tmn32mXq/Tpwb7WSPTfApGhknVEa WN1A== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouv86rxnheIEs1BNdWU6M7NE+eTW/rBcLQm9ye2bIZ08qpUxQFeQP6AvnZknkLbmM7KTBBhVfpG6bxv7Jg== X-Received: by 10.200.46.161 with SMTP id h30mr23310777qta.133.1470581266108; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.40.36 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160806211255.GI12988@foo.stuge.se> <49994385-FEB7-4951-B324-ED1BC66899D4@gentoo.org> <20160807073824.GA1030@daphne> From: Rich Freeman Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:47:44 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BZHJxvR_EKQecVFH4kHUmYd3Z-k Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: c849d789-04d1-4e71-9be0-ab1043e96c56 X-Archives-Hash: a1ae43f6f98bf85338561741fe2b755d On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:24 AM, james wrote: > > As a team, we could have a simple default program for a simple default > disk format, and a variety of 'stage-4' images, maybe updated every 3 > months, to get a gentoo system up, quickly. Not an anything you want it to > be, but a few, common choices. Perhaps a security apparatus, commonly > needed, built on the hardened project? (like a bridge or a firewall)? > Sounds great. What's stopping you? > > Heaven forbid that we put up a few dozen (unsupported) jentoo VMs, > container-images or stage-4 (specifically purposed) choices where > folks could only get support from jentoo-user. No sir, we cannot make jentoo > fun and enjoyable and quick (and sleazy) can we? > Sounds great. What's stopping you? > > And yes allow java, the way it is available on most other distros... > The current process of requiring all the java codes to be broken down into > 100% discernable codes is a tremendous barrier. After all, most of the codes > that use that stuff, are full of holes anyway; that's the very nature of > open, fast, exciting new codes. They only become secure > after years of vetting (fuzzing) anyway. So make the host gentoo image very > secure and allow jentoo projects to be a VM, or container or such > construct, without all the hassles of gentoo proper. Let the purist ensure > that gentoo is secure and isolated and let the multitude play with java, > however they like (in a VM, or a container image or a stage-4). > Sounds great. What's stopping you? -- Rich