From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172A41380DC for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54817E0B61; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69BF1E0B57 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id w20so146186vbb.41 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:52:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=2e+YoiM+KTCiScuImR4VV+2c/Hyk63Hun5zP+Txj+rw=; b=I1FEUG8Y0QEdf6Kp1dJ48zBIUqtMnn250IQnEtu8OP3DJiSAaeAVqRg6o4TdHHN0jO nHpMMkONjpwJty2ese73lngeV+pygW/x8db/0QkwvCwc1e+uuvW+3zUi6HycW3+7rkjY QagihcNqtr7OnUefuy0+ZJ9sVUHnYcSUbNgzoEOwkY5XNoa63ZoT8EMPjY6fr7H8yYEM 1ZOJHFPvQeQ14A/m3hlhyaYTELJ/R248aoRQxY7exoDk7RoUWxCNdqVrpkgDVWPaVac9 MjiaHKAMHj5uBw6YCSRbVYELhweV4q0JzI2Z5ulXBByI/6ZevhTCrMYWNGk7SaXPqKS2 p1fg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.170.241 with SMTP id ap17mr417095vdc.13.1391597579451; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:52:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.254.198 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:52:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1391570147.3520.7.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> References: <52E7DBC1.5020102@gentoo.org> <20140128182304.7d458a17@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140203062524.GA7467@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20140203104341.2add2760@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20140204210319.GA1935@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20140205010833.1bcf8dca@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <1391559808.3520.2.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <20140205020742.048cef9f@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <1391564122.3520.4.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <20140205024806.7d08cb63@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <1391570147.3520.7.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 05:52:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0VMHqfqgeX8j03uMc6W6SAaByAQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: dropping redundant stable keywords From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: b12d218e-7243-4c88-9cb3-989ce5e0a0b1 X-Archives-Hash: 6c7987b70657c7bdd5f1a1397ca63e44 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Steev Klimaszewski wrote: > > You know what - this is pure and utter bullshit. Keeping it around for > "slower" arches does NOT block progress. I have intimate knowledge with > what ACTUALLY happens when people pull this bullshit - and that is a > system that I can no longer actually work on. It isn't like deleted ebuilds magically disappear. You can always dig them out of CVS and stick them in an overlay. It just isn't the maintainer's problem. Any dev can also co-maintain a package and keep the old version around. Main issue I could see with that is stuff we don't stick in cvs/git, like large patches and non-upstream distfiles. That really does need a better solution as has come up before on-list, but I think this is really a different problem. > I'm now going to take a break from Gentoo development because this > thread has seriously caused my blood to boil based on comments from the > peanut gallery (you) where things don't actually affect your day to day > work, but your actions do affect mine. Email threads really aren't the venue for decision-making. They're a great place to suggest ideas, and you have to look at them that way. I've barely skimmed half the messages in this thread, mainly to look for actual solution suggestions, and sometimes the first reply to one contains some useful criticism. It looks like QA has actually intervened with an intended solution. If you don't like it anybody can ask the council to intervene (looks like there is less than a week to the next meeting). Simply debating the issues back and forth on an email list really isn't like to change things much, and as you and others have pointed out it can be an extremely frustrating activity. Rich