Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

[Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>]

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM,  <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
>   Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun
> product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a
> part of the core Gentoo base system?  I don't think so.  If a user wants
> to run GNOME badly enough, he'll switch to systemd.  I don't see why the
> rest of us (i.e. non-users of GNOME) should have to follow along and
> reconfigure our systems.  This is a case of the tail wagging the dog.

It will probably be more than a decade before anybody is FORCED to run
systemd on Gentoo.  You don't even have to run udev on Gentoo.

It will probably be years before the default even changes, assuming
the trajectory of systemd remains as it seems to be.

I think people are really getting carried away here.  I believe the
udev team generally wants to follow upstream udev, and there is eudev
and busybox mdev for those who don't want that.  No distro provides so
many ways of avoiding systemd.  I don't see that changing anytime
soon.

This thread just started out asking maintainers to commit unit files
when asked, that's all.  Anybody who doesn't want them can mask them.
If anybody feels eudev/openrc/whatever isn't progressing enough they
can contribute improvements to these packages, or pay somebody else to
do it for them.  Developers work on what they want to work on.  If no
devs can be bothered with systemd then it will die on the vine, and if
no developers choose to work on openrc the same will happen there.
Either is unlikely, though the "market share" of either is likely to
change over time.

Rich