From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545E71381F3 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FF81E095D; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D7C2E0956 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hr11so3479994vcb.40 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 03:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EVpavDH3vSY+hv/mekOuM07/LW4ewu4s6lUPKeWjyOM=; b=ovze6ge/UaRuUm0ujGKwJTZFGGofiogZVlBjtmgTb5zI/WFO2FI0kQVIuoHCDBr4ji 2q84AoNJS7Hx5Mqes6B7c6NL5JrCGVJ/uKOwum1B+GphzH/F7JWm6c1N64HJv08EC9BI JUIdw7l66zqiMi/S//+LVjrep32VQYivzPt9UUectxHnKCEopzC8iFVcVor9qQY6gt0W 7vMsbcORnJKEc3r9ZmDCHLpEpMnMWpLjxDzlaORb9/wMsnzDK2FUhvY+jKLoAPQGJHSs aM/pQ2Z6NDuP95KrFtJGq+N1Vwkjkj94Um9Kj3KXW/XKVA67npbszusM8i/wIAciFwl3 1PwQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.17.102 with SMTP id n6mr9122403vdd.109.1368180573256; Fri, 10 May 2013 03:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.4 with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 03:09:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> References: <20130508190832.0ea16c88@gentoo.org> <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 06:09:32 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a669ZLVSl7XDsWoXpB8nV4LkidA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: e7e8e932-a1d6-478a-88c9-5ada6420717d X-Archives-Hash: 65c931473e7742db28af4da65353f9c1 On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > The other thing is those unit files really should come from upstream > and other distributions urge their developers to work with upstream [1] > Therefore I'd require an upstream bug for each unit that we add. Makes sense, though I wouldn't necessarily make it a hard requirement. Also, upstream units may not be usable as-is. They might reference incorrect file locations (though I'd hope not for the most part), and in particular dependency naming will always be a challenge. Upstream rejection of a unit should certainly not lead to Gentoo rejection of a unit, any more than their rejection of a script for OpenRC should. Upstreams will likely be slow to embrace the init-scripts-aren't-just-for-distros thing. Rich