From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 218A3139083 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 988ECE1108; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-x22c.google.com (mail-pg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CE3CE0FEE; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id j9so1260528pgc.11; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Doew0Bqn1e1gx2QS+o9ZjrR3l9+4oQEh7Bdse9Szvz4=; b=YujdY7pBSmoikLl3mNGVBNsOQXDtmsS6fSiXggj76RI7NcY0SFolFyPuJpq0fkXXdM IpXWgw/U1qI1irFihKZd0BYVEX8hvDy9Gb20oXdhRFBCPDvy/oPNZkj3NodyBzcbh3zH Xr06jWd/Xo1BYHYKR8fbyRmbKhtGAAxv9wPbyjr8aR7xj0/zrSwkQfesspc3bvhu1E5o SuNR2qSzzr9IYFKkT75LS8q9oO71W0z80jIBDzhSljH5wMYqB8Lc4B9VnYyUidpBalUK pN3pV1xjVhKaLmz391YLc8bU7kz1I2a+AsGAzwwQgRzmw3eDdr7dVtL8dEGx2twSSYU8 74+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Doew0Bqn1e1gx2QS+o9ZjrR3l9+4oQEh7Bdse9Szvz4=; b=ONfqOLhL56+hIUYrFuy9OVdrw995g/Hfbb/hQh4uNIws8VOzuw7+Mx4+e8RuvRBaBN ifsvZzOIZe2XI9P8C/kh0WuEv+HGSKZ0G9E13yJAMMUfhZLubQlD8yGF2kNSsICQDIwf /WWHdJSckNBigY6uPrdQVxqwGcqTNpnYT/btfXb3RoZ0K9E2h5+zAe0BCdmP+I9ojWcO o/aTGOZ8XUXspQCRHLr3Q9jvjoqWg/5109kru1RnOUGG2yfoZK8dmHsweAYVfuhpn5G+ 6IUo+JQvnxjZKwng3ancSpEGmxSHCqpSZa7lM3XCQ5WgZ7wSE0RMmAAS6rbxUhZrVTrw cADQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7kMUFbmKCmAf462TWA9SxEHHmAn6OHf9nilcchFUhVd4oejCN3 kWbOd8X7MuTx23UVkFCN3d/PnZUv0e0n+z0ZbhUI4w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZTyhZdPIlTbj+7XF6bDT5GjB36c2JH1BVy7PIa2PERA0ct8ZdDDHxSFMRg8eBzHMuIY0RRHE2XwKX8yB9U08Q= X-Received: by 10.99.94.71 with SMTP id s68mr19261401pgb.242.1512515646730; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:14:06 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.151.169 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:14:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3cf3fff6-dc48-cacb-0b7d-b36ebc2ebcf2@gentoo.org> References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> <20171204202450.GA29072@clocktown> <20171205085940.GA4167@stuge.se> <20171205211610.GA18378@clocktown> <66724fe3-0181-b912-b32a-dd088d51e4fe@gentoo.org> <28670617-4110-32dc-e5f0-72824efbe3db@gentoo.org> <3cf3fff6-dc48-cacb-0b7d-b36ebc2ebcf2@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:14:05 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: i-kMRJAf8YPxIeAxtb0tzpWBVWg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists To: gentoo-project Cc: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: b090e2c7-3d78-47c0-b157-ab5387dea95b X-Archives-Hash: 6c4966aab865ce56cf0e73a49896dc55 On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/05/2017 11:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people >>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure >>> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a community where we >>> tolerate absolutely any kind of abuse of other members? >> >> We do not, but that presumes actual abuse has been demonstrated. >> "spamming the mailing list", where the posts are regarding Gentoo, isn't >> automatically abuse because some people are uncomfortable about the >> information being presented, or they disagree with it. >> > > This whole email thread is actually one of the examples of where split > lists is a bad thing, the original message was cross-posted between > gentoo-project and gentoo-dev with a reply-to for gentoo-dev. Resulting > in split discussions across the lists. The overall discussion should've > been in -project to begin with. > Certainly, though if our lists actually were moderated it would be a non-issue because all the replies to the off-topic list would have been deleted. Mailing lists aren't great for moderation in general though, because it is impossible to delete a post after it has been distributed. In a forum something like this would be easily solved by just moving the thread to the right place, deleting posts after the fact, and so on. -- Rich