From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758461381F3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C997E080A; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 788DFE07FE for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so5265297iec.7 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=efsbAaKa8izMdAAcw4CE20oizcnVx1KTRV0crV60ZnY=; b=VrmowAI0NvtVhvvJpOTUH7buK5HrcYaU0Neea03mxvCAq2mNG8SmhbU9tk473p1cFh ZvJFoho6R/I1WJneq+nhjOifIdNm/LHTD1JgmLwi4I7+WMUwrp04//S2QoBp5o9Ipq7L pxUQENtS6iVqjYhvU1DLR0Bs2d57DR6pglGSU8egSXy5crO4BCLS5YdDT8dIbMDlE5WW waadxor230KH2wX4qGmTIg+115j7AcQLQhi0Fzq8CRk7BxQfDvyJfph+R7mB5rvqgrk4 8rp/R/HWJUrtxSS6XckE9RTaOjp7SVIg+7uG9epyY96byIdqWVX32O9sV3OpzVlbKOHa lb7Q== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.190.74 with SMTP id dh10mr6510356icb.35.1369235948707; Wed, 22 May 2013 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.28.34 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130522104631.5b1d7c6a@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> References: <5198CCA9.8020501@gmail.com> <201305191523.59060.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130519143421.15214.qmail@stuge.se> <519AE3E6.2070001@gmx.com> <20130521145004.412efcd8@googlemail.com> <20130522005215.7b9d7450@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130522104631.5b1d7c6a@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:19:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UfYHfqiGSropOf95fuMzQA2aE3k Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 81bd0c56-d14f-4cd7-b8ff-13aea47dc5b9 X-Archives-Hash: a94b2c701c0e869dd1d90b591128dd4a On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > The amount of users misusing a knife or hammer is much lower than the > amount of users misusing INSTALL_MASK. Agreed. A typical user would almost never need to use INSTALL_MASK. If they're using it, they're probably doing something wrong. If you want to not install unit files, I'd say you're probably doing something wrong, but if you want to do that anyway, INSTALL_MASK is in fact the most appropriate tool for the job. Ditto if you don't want to install init.d scripts. > > Let's not sacrifice part of our user base by taking a wrong decision; > developing a distro goes much further than "let's just use this hack", > until multiple people agree a hack to be the best short term solution. Few people NEED to INSTALL_MASK systemd units. For those who don't care about a few hundred inodes, just use the system and don't worry about this. For those who go nuts over it, use the feature. You get to keep the pieces if you use it wrong. If you don't want to break your system, just set the desktop profile, don't touch your flags, and just emerge what you want. Your system will work just fine. Rich