From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4F913800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C663E0827; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9CAE0802 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so410845bkw.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PhOWiZWStk03h8UuPN4BhFq77oxz8/a1Oeq90iYoYl4=; b=kvWZ5aCjm8Eg/eLpJfUwR5b72eVvJfmwxly0UMg2rp2oWgvMI901pTwAm89vl3zRQx NcDGBUWM/vPLl9/360zIbj8GZEBN5pJnNBPYR1DrR/nv9o4jik63C6FQeWcpc9DgKS+b Y8gI/4khwMs5J254qqf1tyxPSodUvBVza1yme1naoQsD3PgnXTNxAGr7QKgvupOG3nLQ K9ZXiDdAeXc9Hk12y8uyLmbgd8XVHd/rr65V83IYlxL6QULT7qkB/vrhSwPTdqY/E0aJ /QnZurODWTroIJQq50KruoZTaNubGEVIWPtkvdfHXfZsFRmg13lzsL9WzNxD0DO+fnX5 e6qA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.193 with SMTP id g1mr308838bkt.2.1344541868418; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.82.12 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1344537666.2121.8.camel@TesterTop4> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> <1344537666.2121.8.camel@TesterTop4> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:51:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bx1xTnaIfq1TUq5E8s3Ec08mGek Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f9bdabe6-be49-4281-984f-6d382daa0c1c X-Archives-Hash: 839770bf11f5ffe5fe6f3d6b57a37ba0 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Olivier Cr=EAte wrote: > He has a perfectly reasonable argument that build time is really not > something you should be optimising for. Build systems easily become > overcomplicated if you try to make everyone happy, you do have to make > choices. Anyway, I'm not sure how that's related to the quality or > design of systemd. Well, much as I don't like it, build systems not being adequate for Gentoo is not exactly a new thing. I maintain a package that embeds its version in the about/etc boxes by pulling data out of git, which doesn't exactly work well when I try to install it from a tarball (and their branch for building outside of git has a bug and dies). Oddly enough upstream combines this without tagging releases. So, I patch it, and fork it to github where I can tag my branches and prep tarballs. And I occasionally pester upstream to accept my patches. But, such things are not that unusual. Rich