From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE631381F3 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 897E321C08D; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A9E21C08A for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so4025148bkw.40 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bXzU8uJ9FdFHvvpRXlj+Usey62ctjF518aOl0csikPs=; b=Kxvj9QTs7fum7TDOfR+qa6K9GlV0qoD+PW8Da4XgPdQjY2h1OCCP7iaAz7QO7hF/zJ GC9huZCgN9nFLi8k1M2jO4ceKg9P+50XbVbv/T9R9HFU0TYSZlnyr7TYa/AvW9dPqM2f MDc2Wb2iC6mE04JYmdwT5lP0B7ss0Tt5zEv114Bpp2USsriQRb0fVfZaFKDu+cUEogAW zTaGln3Ghnip7tDsJRoe2hh7mgiwJmsbMYQcBCbmHQ7ZMTFn2k9MspiIUa4zZf4BQvw6 Z1ovKWHaKhVI6iOci4UXlIDXc5EcE7dOawYvM68dIOI6tSN/DAYSFZmWWdw17WrBk/Dk Wdhw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.11 with SMTP id j11mr1290889bkj.53.1353680898592; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.12.28 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50AF84E9.2020608@gentoo.org> References: <20121123022210.GE4100@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> <50AF84E9.2020608@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:28:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oAG2sURSlpuPyfmASezzbbY02Z8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change? From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 346775d2-bfea-4a40-a408-33af0d1f71d1 X-Archives-Hash: bada34665dbed07bf91c3630340700fc On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > .. For certain things, I think it would be very beneficial for this > to be true (other dev's welcome to touch) across the tree. Maybe if > there is enough general support for it, we should change our default > of "never touch a maintainer's package without permission of the > maintainer/herd", to "OK to touch unless package metadata explicitly > requests not to" ...? And we can put a tag in the metadata to > indicate this (or even to indicate what other dev's can and can't > touch -- ie, can touch *DEPEND, can bump EAPI, cannot add features, > cannot bump)? Honestly, I like the maintainer/herd system - it promotes some kind of consistency and accountability. If everybody just goes poking at random ebuilds anytime they want to then that will tend to lead to chaos. Why not just do everything BUT commit the ebuild, and then just attach the fixed ebuild to the bug instead? That really isn't any more work for those doing the work, it allows users affected by the bug to download the fixed ebuild instantly if they want to, and it still allows the maintainer to be a quality gateway. Even making it voluntary for maintainers to invite help creates some risk that users will be subjected to uncoordinated updates/etc. If you want to avoid that, then the checklist for changing random packages will likely grow so large that nobody will do it anyway. If you know a lot of about a package or a group of packages, just add yourself as a maintainer... Rich