From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17113139694 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 137532740B4; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x244.google.com (mail-yw0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66F8274047 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x244.google.com with SMTP id a12so5740261ywh.1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=ZqMUhrceOha0ZuMARnTbIhrivVj+fmD+a5nXbP9u3rM=; b=eaMOKMr+etGRf/90qMn3OpCVCrKQAcbzyIzpnd8b0xK4TDi7Bk+bruksv6Fcsklhqs VlVvFb9f3xx/hBQ4V8Z546glsWRWAmzR5rCd8rWb7YuLXN012H0C/hcs+H2Kgcd3Qz/l RrtY6HR4gBEmBmBDnjJQKZn4Ltg22O+rcD6003gncN6youy2g1eBfvU5nzskfK0NQDmq rT9XL/Lr15WQXdt/9zT6kLISBo+e0ewXHNIucFuCQCBH18cwwQ92jmGukQEqAEoILKDV xNfk3FnF4T+HfH5g1D/GJuNF4IQ9oTiAjL4xj9NreNV2LDRY+ZX835XVba20J0gdBaLq v4Ow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZqMUhrceOha0ZuMARnTbIhrivVj+fmD+a5nXbP9u3rM=; b=hustpFkVY707YXKa/3Hoz4Frr5CFMNKTlnHC1Xca2qfI04tJipnskps45JDBzNwV46 PZIs2dhy80TaaDcfUS+xX8Iij7LTLG93uhxVwtZatiuP3tRUfd/1SUCuZRbIizGU1IZr JZwe8h89h3F7OEni7fzR18uZ81nUrXbLNSXrrDv/S4btbpeqgYyzQpRdRgFrOLRKQVY1 EUBNRrzykzmWCgY3v3JInryZYD3VZqTJahEIHwl7Hln4oR90Vz+jEnC757dmtSvLvyA9 fyczvboer4SCfymUfg6ENac3SiyS0U5ZYKzdDN0k1oqRkJEODzuUkOMYBVi6+lsW0+NS hsqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1105XfP53tVwUtFGEzhopwTepm8/OBdL4Y1SV+lD8/5VK4fctGn7 FtE8dlA4ZA5vsEkeRPTzWXzXh+VgHFo9 X-Received: by 10.129.227.72 with SMTP id w8mr1602917ywl.165.1499708981499; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.115.212 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:49:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1897557.6sYsMVzEX5@wanheda> References: <1897557.6sYsMVzEX5@wanheda> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:49:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GEM8YBPJN1k1tdfGsFQwmj733dg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] taking a break from arches stabilization To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 0f9d5291-d7ac-4bdd-b542-e3e384d3661e X-Archives-Hash: 886c0f15699eb5f6505e2c0481e8c505 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > > Now, since I work on these arches just to help, i.e. I don't have any business > and I do non have any installation of those arches and the work I'm doing is > not appreciated at all I decided to stop for now. I wouldn't say that your work is unappreciated. However, when those are called "unmaintained" arches it reflects the fact that very few are contributing to them. The nature of a linux distro is that one person could be working 24x7 with bleeding fingers and it would be like sticking a finger in a dike. It takes more than one contributor (even a serious one) to make something like this viable. > I will take a break also from amd64 and x86...let's see how things will > change. I'm not sure I really see the connection but you're of course welcome to work on whatever you want to. In the case of amd64 we already encourage individual package maintainers to stabilize their own packages, and I think this is much more sustainable than having an arch team do it. Back when amd64 was exotic and a lot of packages needed patching to work having a focused arch team to handle this made a lot of sense - they owned the hardware and also were accustomed to spotting type errors and so on. These days upstream just works on amd64 and everybody is using it. I'm not diminishing your contributions in any way (which have always been tremendous). I'm just saying that a model that depends less on heroics would benefit everybody. -- Rich