From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39C9C138334 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 818D0E07D4; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f175.google.com (mail-pf1-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFBEE07BA for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f175.google.com with SMTP id x17-v6so5685409pfh.5 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2018 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=tO6EOIs9b1S23/UPYMsIHwETKbXjtfuY9vvJ6Ds5YG0=; b=ZUbvNzX/HRDr/Gf+qBzax5Y7AN7L7jW9qNfFaJnEVZX2a4I9xMruh2jbatvFYCCkT8 VowYW8D5Zqcs0ONFGTSN5rSXfx3uASC2aAwF5SQ4OO4y+cusELo+38oHxywfYrwhdG2n HLXAFO6Q+7JFub4CHW9Gb+6XrMHbfLyA+fdjT4caUY+Hm/k/plvCryykhKmHJotKhVf+ zXsq5IAls3QEg/HGIc2sdI/Yb29fgeqA+/N3Emm7a3D2FS3l5u5srp82U1TGH1QMxJCG gdKx9uY8VILmb5qcEvGv7KHD0edsxelnFwo6qe4KpGFRjd+6/wpc0ViN/2woAeC0xRsF fVcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEt3mDbdXjKLSIYsRv3LCT66ULfyKNFKeuFF8tlv80F72FbJpW5 wjcYAp/CpwnqrbHISrlsa7/3rPKWs5ChT2YKlEv6+n5Zzqw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdAS8BWMFGYflbXuVVW7ZaeH1cSCQv577llWzF4LVHu9VzghBD8xOF2hgbH5JWii13wwa9mXG3Dykrk4c1fB9U= X-Received: by 2002:a63:5b0d:: with SMTP id p13-v6mr11769103pgb.202.1533489873540; Sun, 05 Aug 2018 10:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180623025046.djmsv44moxuqkv6t@proprietary-killer> <1529738520.21177.5.camel@gentoo.org> <20180623073030.wdrjfrcv3swqwfkx@proprietary-killer> <77476CA5-628E-44D2-8BC1-63718DA34B12@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 13:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 498aaa48-cc85-4cff-8022-ae97570abf79 X-Archives-Hash: ec3945a003c7529e47234931ec7f9d48 On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM Alec Warner wrote: > > > Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open source related > can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat against that as I feel it > dilutes the Gentoo mission. We are here to make a distribution, not > maintain random libraries. If you want to do that feel free; but I > don't see a need for that work to be associated with Gentoo. > Honestly, other than maybe some prestige I don't really get the point of hosting random software in Gentoo either. These days getting a repo on github or any of its 47 competitors is a few clicks. You have zero overhead from a governance standpoint, and a dev can of course stick ebuilds in the main repository with zero interference. It seems a lot cleaner from a copyright/etc standpoint as well. Even openrc is hosted outside of Gentoo these days, which makes perfect sense. With the distro as a whole it is a bit more complex, though honestly I'd love to see us get to a point where the whole thing can be SECURELY hosted entirely off-infra as well, even if we still chose to run our own infra. I just see it as a way to both provide options to our users and ourselves. For the latter, being able to host anything on an outside service means that if some component of infra goes down we could have mirrors already running and pulling from infra, or if for some reason somebody sues us or roots us or whatever we can pick up and move without much fuss. Running your own wiki/bugzilla/lists/etc was about the only way to do things in the 90s/etc, but these days there are other options... -- Rich