From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5oEL-0004D0-0O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:30:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6461321C09D; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D183E21C055 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt12 with SMTP id zt12so8059806bkb.40 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:29:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7fEI4O5eDBNYlRzZSKVcSiZae9o65yEPWCwpX6yEwTU=; b=NfsRZx5pQLy3LhXtGSLNwH7NVDBfiCcw2YgPI6D7NT8PfvcTdU2R5u8LIFcsXo1wHE WWv8d9EZuv6X73VdNdrVQXkQcb1/8auA0zKpmIH2KGmOTFcf4Ui+cGA0CKq/iN6leL3T b2tJPS3fTtGuSIMNytZbGGjpgBkh3kW6AIjig= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.130.11 with SMTP id q11mr68357bks.91.1316478598904; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.72.195 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:29:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E77CDF0.5060404@gentoo.org> References: <1740055.XA9oyAS8HQ@eve> <4E7252A1.2000300@gentoo.org> <1336457.yNbGUQDlCr@eve> <4E7584E8.2080009@gentoo.org> <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> <20110919103355.2e124fd2@pomiocik.lan> <4E7703E6.2060503@gentoo.org> <20110919111057.00b4da6d@pomiocik.lan> <4E771B7D.8050702@gentoo.org> <4E77CDF0.5060404@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:29:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4s7wq5puQ9WWnZWiaJc7Ve7gjTE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: fdb1bd391b9fdcb0fcd6964482b7b978 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > Host-specific / and host-independent /usr is not itself a bad idea. =A0I = can > envision quite a few useful scenarios for this. =A0But on a single box, w= hy? > And for those of us with differing architectures, how would this add any > benefit? =A0Is this more of a detail for future RHEL releases (since Fedo= ra is > a type of proving ground for RH) so that sysadmins have an easier time > managing them? =A0Nothing wrong with it, but it needs to be a configurabl= e > choice by the end-user. > > I'll admit I may not be as informed as I oughta to be, but what I have re= ad > indicates that some people think this is the direction to go in, for vari= ous > reasons. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove That is some of the rationale for Fedora. It isn't a bad idea both for destop-oriented and server-oriented setups. It especially makes sense for a more traditional distro with versioned releases (basicaly you just drop in a new /usr and you're done minus a few /etc updates - and if you make /etc nothing but overrides from defaults then it would itself be almost empty and not need updates much). Sure, we're not really planning to do that with Gentoo, but that is the pressure upstream is under. When you have big distros pushing all the major projects in a particular direction we need to be really selective about where we push back. The sky isn't falling though - nobody is looking to go out of their way to break non-root /usr, and we are looking to have a minimal initramfs even for those cases where it breaks a little. Rich