From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RXzxt-0004cw-5T for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:42:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AFEC21C1D3; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f53.google.com (mail-ee0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B8921C0D9 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekb57 with SMTP id b57so1921579eek.40 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A6wW3/dGlzn5PT4wIm8VDVgqbYqjQmnL/KmFTMQJLj8=; b=CVpnGGnpAmcbpgxaJOyfKaAS8NuR5K7IEXKeAiWDNcjYGVxKzj9iJtEWClN9R4zor7 PIhYGaBrX68ABYLccifWLGEWAaDom55WUtm+z/Q3n4WRpdfhxudOBEyGDpC4/b0FZOn2 Hpa9P6vElB0dGHwN3gWFbM1iNuxTfxOdw4ZYA= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.11.150 with SMTP id 22mr2727346eex.217.1323196846771; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.121.2 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201112061304.38351.vapier@gentoo.org> References: <201112061117.51390.vapier@gentoo.org> <201112061304.38351.vapier@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:40:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EdTurkLfpXELcol_5t_GVlaILJY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] sys-libs/ncurses: punted from system in profiles From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e5ef09b7-90ec-47ce-9503-152e2c75506c X-Archives-Hash: 46aa7ec47ff72432dbfbf3bad3f7db39 On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > what might be interesting is if we had a "Gentoo default" set which is wh= at > would come in a stage3 rather than the current "stage3 is the system set"= . > then we could move virtual/ssh out of the system set and into the "Gentoo > default" set so it'd be easier for people to drop/etc... =A0but i'm not f= amiliar > enough with the portage support atm to say how feasible such an idea woul= d be. > ++ I see system about resolving the circular dependency issue - not as installing useful apps. After all, the system set doesn't even include a kernel! >> sys-apps/kbd > > this controls keyboard mappings and fonts on the console. =A0while the de= fault > is probably OK for the USians, most everyone else wants to tweak these. > I tend to agree that this is closer to a system dependency. Even my initramfs example might have a need for interactive input, and that means a working keyboard layout. As a US user I can be spoiled by the defaults, but I appreciate the value of this. >> sys-apps/texinfo > > i personally detest info pages, but we end up needing texinfo by many man= y > packages just to *build* the info pages. Still probably something better placed in DEPEND. However, as I've said before purging the system set is an aspirational goal and we don't need to have a big debate over this right now. Rich