From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9701F1381F3 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB6FA21C1A9; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B758921C1A1 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so2740355bkw.40 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:08:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=maMuvttWgn7Ze51tfduTM86FNCCSzCUwVpUnasAVn0g=; b=KbuzeM58gdfDExc4Cyls7PL4ius0D8nLhTJPiuaLm4fP4zE+TCwGyMYR2lfqn/8bWU T4VyZ1S0D5AI/wW6M8kd0/Wez2Ozv6xvNNKICFvYpNErMpAphErziB4THJC+z/2QFBvG nUZpmR7btOVkWyYbWb9ZLTMB6Zx80Cr85610R21DE7ZesHtG471mWNtgDSjA/bR8XPZB kzKlXow5t67TRGIcuhpehFhy6gjk9LDmiOUQWYLt3VJ29RTQ3unl8ubMYOyiUXAfoTTQ bkxOwK7+ACqYtWSLC79LZcU/6KlBlhZgM9nxrPhpF5+9mFSf0/onSDVqqlqiB74I+i5+ 4GiQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.11.208 with SMTP id u16mr6132897bku.81.1355753334207; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:08:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.12.28 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:08:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> <201212161954.00706.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:08:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oibDCf3OxMT624zX5AvhN1U-aQA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: f65e2d58-6206-4908-b7bb-5fcfbbbc725b X-Archives-Hash: e359842caf29dd491c5ba8c8fdcfb8bd On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > > Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing > this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us > actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign. Before we considered undertaking this, we need somebody with a long-term Gentoo commitment (preferably a dev or docs team member, or even forum moderators or similar role) who would be in a leadership position. You don't just hire somebody and point them at your website and say, "make it better." I'd like to see somebody with passion/vision leading this rather than the collective groans of the mailing lists (valid as they may be). To be useful it needs to be maintained as well. If bringing in a professional is what it takes to get us over the hump into sustainability then I'm all for it. However, I don't think we have all our bases covered yet. We might find that once we address the long-term care of our site the need to bring in a professional goes away. However, if we get a vibrant team together to care for the site I'm sure the Trustees will weigh their recommendations heavily. We generally don't bikeshed - if infra says they need to replace a hard drive we pay for it. If the web site had a similar team caring for it I'm sure we'd work with them, and likely let them lead the interviews as well. As a volunteer distro the first preference is of course that we fix things ourselves. However, I fully recognize that good web development is a skillset. Rich