[gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Andreas K. Hüttel]

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Hey all, 

our installation handbook is right now something of a mess (in particular 
regarding partitioning, bootloader, gpt/uefi, ...)

I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up. But - I'll go the brutal way:

* Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *

This is your chance to protest or support.

Cheers,
Andreas


-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer 
(council, qa, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Aisha Tammy]

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On 5/2/20 4:30 PM, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
> Hey all, 
> 
> our installation handbook is right now something of a mess (in particular 
> regarding partitioning, bootloader, gpt/uefi, ...)
> 
> I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up.

Thanks a lot for your work :)

 But - I'll go the brutal way:
> 
> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
> 
> This is your chance to protest or support.

I would like to ask for this to be kept somewhere at least.

Is it possible to put it in a separate section or in a page outside the handbook?
Having a separate page for it in the wiki might be fine as well.

(I don't know if non-devs are allowed to give an opinion, so apologies if I seem
presumptuous)

Best,
Aisha

> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas
> 
> 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Georg Rudoy]

On 02.05.2020 at 20:30 user Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up. But - I'll go the brutal way:
>
> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
>
> This is your chance to protest or support.

I just installed Gentoo last month on an AMD64 machine that was booted in legacy mode
and I had no control over that as far as I can tell.
That was a very recent, freshly ordered Ryzen 3700 Hetzner server.

Dunno if such anecdotical evidence proves anything though.


-- 
  Georg Rudoy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Sam James]

> On 2 May 2020, at 21:30, Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> our installation handbook is right now something of a mess (in particular 
> regarding partitioning, bootloader, gpt/uefi, ...)
> 
> I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up. But - I'll go the brutal way:
> 
> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
> 

My preference would be to have a “preferred stream” detailed on the page, and some links to the old content for users on legacy.
The old content could be moved as-is, just not deleted.

Some people have modernish systems but cannot choose non-legacy due to vendors.

Sam

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Dale]

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Georg Rudoy wrote:
> On 02.05.2020 at 20:30 user Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up. But - I'll go the brutal way:
>>
>> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
>>
>> This is your chance to protest or support.
> I just installed Gentoo last month on an AMD64 machine that was booted in legacy mode
> and I had no control over that as far as I can tell.
> That was a very recent, freshly ordered Ryzen 3700 Hetzner server.
>
> Dunno if such anecdotical evidence proves anything though.
>
>


My system is not to old and would need legacy as a option as well.  I
actually picked one that didn't do EFI and such.  I'd be fine with a
link to another page tho.  It may make it easier for everyone else while
those of us with legacy can still get to the info. 

Users point of view.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Alexey Mishustin]

сб, 2 мая 2020 г. в 23:51, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> My system is not to old and would need legacy as a option as well.  I actually picked one that didn't do EFI and such.  I'd be fine with a link to another page tho.  It may make it easier for everyone else while those of us with legacy can still get to the info.
>
> Users point of view.

+1

All my Gentoo systems, except one laptop, have been installed in
legacy mode as well: Ryzen, Xeon, and others.

I'm voting for keeping the chapter about legacy boot in the handbook
or in the wiki.

--
Regards,
Alex

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Thomas Deutschmann]

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On 2020-05-02 22:30, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
> 
> This is your chance to protest or support.

*holdingupprotestsign*

Why? There are still a lot of people out there who don't have (U)EFI or
don't use GPT.

Please keep this information or share why you believe this has to be
removed. I assume you are talking about
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks and for
me it's not a *mess*.

Maybe move it to a 'legacy' sub page but it's too early for complete
removal from my P.O.V.


-- 
Regards,
Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Joshua Kinard]

On 5/2/2020 16:30, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
> Hey all, 
> 
> our installation handbook is right now something of a mess (in particular 
> regarding partitioning, bootloader, gpt/uefi, ...)
> 
> I'm hereby volunteering to clean things up. But - I'll go the brutal way:
> 
> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
> 
> This is your chance to protest or support.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas

Keep it.  There are still systems sold that boot classic BIOS instead of
UEFI, and thus might need this info.  If anything, legacy stuff like this
can be put into its own section below the more modern approach, with
appropriate disclaimers that it is legacy.  But odds are likely, it will
need to be retained for quite a few more years.

-- 
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Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning up the installation handbook (Legacy boot / MBR / ...)

[Jonas Stein]

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Hi Andreas,

> * Legacy boot and MBR will get kicked out. *
> This is your chance to protest or support.

Please keep.
I have several systems with legacy boot and know many people, who
prefer/need this too.

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Best,
Jonas


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