From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCC613829C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F62F254034; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f66.google.com (mail-oi0-f66.google.com [209.85.218.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22889254027 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f66.google.com with SMTP id u201so2063399oie.2 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:46:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=J8LvKWbHRWQkFfHUfPgWIlt9wQyq3N1DDtXjW+Kv8Fs=; b=RM59uD0MR73x4CWprkSSJ8Ejp10064RrUG6Pgykv9PadHeQFHYfK2nYd8xMP7yJjnJ Vz2jitbNwnl60dOJMTY8+FXQ2ANFvK753GaBfEJEeab4MRPUq/fab2kIUQP+O+fFMszd h4A4KGixIGqnbizEoxUg9w2ygTHDoRJHKF0foGyqCaZiQmOQVy60pdWSWDiUoTth42CQ ThYQiAAjygQFBupgXjg6M53vml6DP+KESX6RTBprxevud0PnUfEwyf20PfYeyOV54D2z pDhzTJYaEw79RAuXewfZ+AWMzc9vNd1doZh8ntZ91T9Q1S+vRlXf8gbezwpemtO5dUg3 gdOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J8LvKWbHRWQkFfHUfPgWIlt9wQyq3N1DDtXjW+Kv8Fs=; b=mSrwbxO9qH6Yys1ziZfeMN2EykP0tZmy0RpL3TcTAdG1zjN2Ble5C8WxgUsyGTepvQ 0lMhfxiqxzFHaQESUszF5l80FUH0/5jLYkOEzyDf3PjNpk6baC5iPBg9g4O27HDeGKl/ 3OIXd1mcPKiD0Z1PIG4yHb9Zl+z/E1/HpoPUNstvscA+EBRhpeuO+Rn8aQRfYBgYSxJg wwXkMu+dlNj1GHL+nOVjqdCFrz/M/7X6qADxuHUKarYxzlbgM8y8mf0i5EUQ3C/iw4MW c3JM7CwiS96xlt/4HlOragnmw2essj7bWkWZQ+jV8BEP/VCLQ1flbEyJ0MTlMmv3M5c5 S+5A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL6j3mZzULmB1J78p2++uWn/nLqRM/1vIaAPK5eEnCahYFtKE5D2eI4wSRhYJZ2/uh1BF7HO4FRtmsQXA== X-Received: by 10.157.16.10 with SMTP id h10mr3300020ote.91.1465627586190; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.212.194 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:45:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160610234520.3c90b8c7.mgorny@gentoo.org> References: <702470fc-8f33-8d01-b372-e975d13abf7e@gentoo.org> <20160603160625.54085996.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160610234520.3c90b8c7.mgorny@gentoo.org> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:45:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Council Council: call for agenda items for June 12 meeting To: gentoo-dev Cc: "Anthony G. Basile" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11402e8ea5e3bc0534fb0301 X-Archives-Salt: 27d99349-7603-41d5-bd9f-1f13cbda8546 X-Archives-Hash: 24e7e14692160df25664f5aeeb8891b7 --001a11402e8ea5e3bc0534fb0301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the demise or replacement of the sunrise project should be put on the agenda possibly. This is not anything official, just a hopefully helpful suggestion. On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny = wrote: > Hello, > > Considering the strength of response from a Council member, I would > like to officially apologize for providing the agenda items and I would > like to withdraw them all appropriately. Thank you for your time, and I > wish you re-election. > > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 16:06:25 +0200 > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:01:03 -0400 > > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > The Council will be meeting on Sunday June 12. This is a call for an= y > > > agenda items. > > > > In preferred order of discussion (i.e. shortest topics first): > > > > 1. the 'file installation masks' GLEP [spec:1, RFC:2, bug:3]. It still > > hasn't been merged by the GLEP editors but it's otherwise ready with > > reference implementation for Portage. Preferably please discuss this > > separately/before LINGUAS as it is quite generic and I think having it > > approved would benefit us. The part specifically needing Council > > approval is the extra configuration file in metadata/ dir of the > > repository. > > > > 2. The patch fixing USE_EXPAND handling in Portage to adhere to > > the rules enforced by the PMS for EAPI 5 and newer [patch:4, > > patch v1:5, bug:6]. The patch comes in two variants. The former > > (preferred by me) applies the change to all EAPIs since this way we can > > kill the ugly logic for earlier EAPIs and PMS leaves the behavior > > undefined for them. The latter applies it only to EAPI 5 and newer, > > leaving current behavior for older EAPIs. I don't think it really makes > > sense to have different logic as EAPI 5 is quite common already, and > > different behavior will only increase confusion. > > > > 3. New sys-devel/gcc USE=3Dmultislot [QA bug:7]. I originally wanted to > > do this via QA but considering the replies to bugs opened so far, I > > think Council approval would be additionally helpful. The key point of > > my request would be to kill the flag, and stop force-removing old > > versions implicitly. > > > > 4. LINGUAS [8,9]. Long story short, PMS considered, we implicitly strip > > localizations from most of the packages out there. I think the first > > step towards fixing it that the most people can approve is renaming > > the USE_EXPAND from LINGUAS to I18N or L10N, or generally something > > else, plus a news item. > > > > 5. USE=3Dgui [10]. It seems to get some appreciation but I suspect it's > > going to end up going to the Council anyway. > > > > I think that's all for now. If I recall something else, I'll let you > > know. > > > > > > [1]:https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:MGorny/GLEP:INSTALL_MASK > > [2]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/af5de8be051fdf60d4d4aef97d= f6e683 > > [3]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D584452 > > [4]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage-dev/message/42e3a134d14e33e037= e35e6c5df9d05d > > [5]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage-dev/message/b79fc6bd174a356c62= bda59d0b0e9e8e > > [6]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D583750 > > [7]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D584610 > > [8]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/a08ea09c2c8e534fd9bc114670= 3c66ff > > [9]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/41e09d1ddc8b30abb9f9d21d20= 5b7b82 > > [10]: > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/eecad370248118c474a0d819fa= 7f3576 > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny > > --001a11402e8ea5e3bc0534fb0301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the demise or replacement of the sunrise project s= hould be put on the agenda possibly.=C2=A0 This is not anything official, j= ust a hopefully helpful suggestion.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3= =B3rny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
Hello,

Considering the strength of response from a Council member, I would
like to officially apologize for providing the agenda items and I would
like to withdraw them all appropriately. Thank you for your time, and I
wish you re-election.


On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 16:06:25 +0200
Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <mgorny@gent= oo.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:01:03 -0400
> "Anthony G. Basile" <blueness@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The Council will be meeting on Sunday June 12.=C2=A0 This is a ca= ll for any
> > agenda items.
>
> In preferred order of discussion (i.e. shortest topics first):
>
> 1. the 'file installation masks' GLEP [spec:1, RFC:2, bug:3]. = It still
> hasn't been merged by the GLEP editors but it's otherwise read= y with
> reference implementation for Portage. Preferably please discuss this > separately/before LINGUAS as it is quite generic and I think having it=
> approved would benefit us. The part specifically needing Council
> approval is the extra configuration file in metadata/ dir of the
> repository.
>
> 2. The patch fixing USE_EXPAND handling in Portage to adhere to
> the rules enforced by the PMS for EAPI 5 and newer [patch:4,
> patch v1:5, bug:6]. The patch comes in two variants. The former
> (preferred by me) applies the change to all EAPIs since this way we ca= n
> kill the ugly logic for earlier EAPIs and PMS leaves the behavior
> undefined for them. The latter applies it only to EAPI 5 and newer, > leaving current behavior for older EAPIs. I don't think it really = makes
> sense to have different logic as EAPI 5 is quite common already, and > different behavior will only increase confusion.
>
> 3. New sys-devel/gcc USE=3Dmultislot [QA bug:7]. I originally wanted t= o
> do this via QA but considering the replies to bugs opened so far, I > think Council approval would be additionally helpful. The key point of=
> my request would be to kill the flag, and stop force-removing old
> versions implicitly.
>
> 4. LINGUAS [8,9]. Long story short, PMS considered, we implicitly stri= p
> localizations from most of the packages out there. I think the first > step towards fixing it that the most people can approve is renaming > the USE_EXPAND from LINGUAS to I18N or L10N, or generally something > else, plus a news item.
>
> 5. USE=3Dgui [10]. It seems to get some appreciation but I suspect it&= #39;s
> going to end up going to the Council anyway.
>
> I think that's all for now. If I recall something else, I'll l= et you
> know.
>
>
> [1]:https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User= :MGorny/GLEP:INSTALL_MASK
> [2]:https://arch= ives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/af5de8be051fdf60d4d4aef97df6e683
> [3]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id= =3D584452
> [4]:http= s://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage-dev/message/42e3a134d14e33e037e35e6c= 5df9d05d
> [5]:http= s://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage-dev/message/b79fc6bd174a356c62bda59d= 0b0e9e8e
> [6]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id= =3D583750
> [7]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id= =3D584610
> [8]:https://arch= ives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/a08ea09c2c8e534fd9bc1146703c66ff
> [9]:https://arch= ives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/41e09d1ddc8b30abb9f9d21d205b7b82
> [10]:https://arc= hives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/eecad370248118c474a0d819fa7f3576 >



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Best regards,
Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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